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Since we lost Carl Petterson we have had some of the worst drafts I have ever seen in my 10 years of being a Chiefs fan.
2009 NFL Draft we passed on:
1. Brian Orakpo
2. Aaron Curry
3. Brian Cushing
All of these players where available in the later first round. If we would have traded down we could have picked up a second. This is the year we had no second.2010 NFL Draft we passed on:
1.Russell Okung
2. Rolando McClain
3. Sean Weatherspoon
We could have traded down on the the last 2 and picked up a 3rd 2nd rounder and would have had a butt load of players to choose from.Instead we select Eric Berry the highest drafted safety in the history of the NFL and then payed him more then any other S ever in the history of the NFL. Are we trying to break the all-time stupidest transaction records or what. Honestly Chiefs fans what can we say for ourselves we drafted a safety when we had two good safeties, A CB named arenas who was only picked up because of his return ability we couldn’t get that in the 4th round? We picked up a RB who is now a slot receiver and flanker???
Whats your thought on all this?It’s far to early to talk about either draft. I was not 100% behind the pick of Berry at the time. But you have to give the rookies this year at least a chance to play one Real NFL down before you can start saying that the draft was a waste or not.
I am not a fan of either draft, but you’re being unfair when you say we could have just traded down. I doubt there was any GM desperately trying to trade up these past two years.
FWIW, I think Raji in 2009 and Okung in 2010 were the way to go in the 1st.
turner_robert;197242 wrote:Since we lost Carl Petterson we have had some of the worst drafts I have ever seen in my 10 years of being a Chiefs fan.2009 NFL Draft we passed on:
1. Brian Orakpo
2. Aaron Curry
3. Brian Cushing
All of these players where available in the later first round. If we would have traded down we could have picked up a second. This is the year we had no second.2010 NFL Draft we passed on:
1.Russell Okung
2. Rolando McClain
3. Sean Weatherspoon
We could have traded down on the the last 2 and picked up a 3rd 2nd rounder and would have had a butt load of players to choose from.Instead we select Eric Berry the highest drafted safety in the history of the NFL and then payed him more then any other S ever in the history of the NFL. Are we trying to break the all-time stupidest transaction records or what. Honestly Chiefs fans what can we say for ourselves we drafted a safety when we had two good safeties, A CB named arenas who was only picked up because of his return ability we couldn’t get that in the 4th round? We picked up a RB who is now a slot receiver and flanker???
Whats your thought on all this?I’ll bite with the 2009 draft. I’m super disappointed with Jackson right now, especially considering he’s been demoted (whether it’s permanent we’ll find out, but Gilberry looks better). Pairing Orakpo with Hali would be a scary thought or maybe Raji could have offered that big nose tackle that we so desperately need. Aaron Curry has played below expectations and Cushing wasn’t considered an option, besides he’s a cheater. In the end though, hindsight is 20/20. Too bad the Chiefs don’t fork out cash for amateur evaluations after the fact.
With the 2010 draft, you shouldn’t much much, if anything to complain about right now. The season is early but Berry is playing to expectations and maybe more. I haven’t looked into McClain, but Weatherspoon isn’t playing to the level that Berry is. Also, the chances of receiving decent compensation for high draft picks at this point is pretty slim, a second rounder would never have happened. The second rounders we have are playing like future superstars, which is more than most teams can say, and just about every other draft pick is showing some sort of promise unlike last years class with guys like Brown and O’Connel.
turner_robert;197242 wrote:Since we lost Carl Petterson we have had some of the worst drafts I have ever seen in my 10 years of being a Chiefs fan.2009 NFL Draft we passed on:
1. Brian Orakpo
2. Aaron Curry
3. Brian Cushing
All of these players where available in the later first round. If we would have traded down we could have picked up a second. This is the year we had no second.2010 NFL Draft we passed on:
1.Russell Okung
2. Rolando McClain
3. Sean Weatherspoon
We could have traded down on the the last 2 and picked up a 3rd 2nd rounder and would have had a butt load of players to choose from.Instead we select Eric Berry the highest drafted safety in the history of the NFL and then payed him more then any other S ever in the history of the NFL. Are we trying to break the all-time stupidest transaction records or what. Honestly Chiefs fans what can we say for ourselves we drafted a safety when we had two good safeties, A CB named arenas who was only picked up because of his return ability we couldn’t get that in the 4th round? We picked up a RB who is now a slot receiver and flanker???
Whats your thought on all this?to early to decide on either draft class. and if any team had a crystal ball on who would perform and who would be injury free they would be a sb team year in and out.the knocking of eric berry is is way to pre mature. he is going to be a beast. did you watch the tampa bay game where he shut the run down.he will be a pro bowl player he is a young kid who gets it.does nothing but study film and has all of the talent in the world.strives to be a great player not mediocre player very solid pick by the chiefs.i dont care how much he is paid as long as he performs and he will
bwilliams;197245 wrote:FWIW, I think Raji in 2009 and Okung in 2010 were the way to go in the 1st.I agree with this. Not to knock Eric Berry, but he’s not the 2nd coming of Joe Montana in his prime and cannot impact any team that way.
Berry is going to be a great Safety, but the Chiefs went into 2010 off season 0 for 3 in three areas and are now entering the 2010 season still 0 for 3 in the following three areas:
1. On Offense they can’t protect the passer — at least not well enough for Cassel to take a 5 step drop on passing plays.
2. Can’t stop the run on Defense.
3. Can’t rush the passer on Defense.Berry will help with pass defense to a degree, but overall regarding the 3 areas I listed above, Berry will have no more impact than a fart from a beaver in a tree. The most critical area is protecting the passer & with that Russell Okung has to be the pick. Branden Albert is a Guard playing out of position & it’s not working.
slc chief;197248 wrote:to early to decide on either draft class. and if any team had a crystal ball on who would perform and who would be injury free they would be a sb team year in and out.the knocking of eric berry is is way to pre mature. he is going to be a beast. did you watch the tampa bay game where he shut the run down.he will be a pro bowl player he is a young kid who gets it.does nothing but study film and has all of the talent in the world.strives to be a great player not mediocre player very solid pick by the chiefs.i dont care how much he is paid as long as he performs and he willI’m gladyou said what you did because I picked Brian Orakpo as my draft choice 2009 and I picked Russell Okung and/or Trent Williams which ever came first. This is why people have scouts, this is why we watch film this is why we have the draft to make good players into great players. Eric Berry is not worth more then Troy, and Ed regardless of how good he is in college PERIOD. Its to soon to talk about 2008 and 2009 draft really because if your a 1st rounder let alone a top 5 draft pick your going to start and better make a difference and so far NONE have made any difference.
matthewschiefs;197244 wrote:It’s far to early to talk about either draft. I was not 100% behind the pick of Berry at the time. But you have to give the rookies this year at least a chance to play one Real NFL down before you can start saying that the draft was a waste or not.I totally agree and I’m not saying Eric Berry wont be a Pro Bowler but even if he is he will not change the game even if he had 1 int every other game it wouldn’t make a difference thats probable why teams dont draft S that high. It was a very bad draft.
turner_robert;197255 wrote:I totally agree and I’m not saying Eric Berry wont be a Pro Bowler but even if he is he will not change the game even if he had 1 int every other game it wouldn’t make a difference thats probable why teams dont draft S that high. It was a very bad draft.Must be high.. This is looking to be one of the best drafts in years..
Your post is pretty pointless since half those choices haven’t had a chance to produce yet.
To make things worse, you talk about Curry who was underwhelming his rookie season, and Cushing who is facing a suspension.Carl Pettersen drafted some good players, but he is also partly responsible for the state of the team right now.
He completely failed to maintain the offensive line, which was the bread and butter of this team for so many years.
Besides he had plenty of busted picks aswell, and he traded away some pretty darn good players.:ninerssuck:
turner_robert;197242 wrote:Since we lost Carl Petterson we have had some of the worst drafts I have ever seen in my 10 years of being a Chiefs fan.2009 NFL Draft we passed on:
1. Brian Orakpo
2. Aaron Curry
3. Brian Cushing
All of these players where available in the later first round. If we would have traded down we could have picked up a second. This is the year we had no second.2010 NFL Draft we passed on:
1.Russell Okung
2. Rolando McClain
3. Sean Weatherspoon
We could have traded down on the the last 2 and picked up a 3rd 2nd rounder and would have had a butt load of players to choose from.Instead we select Eric Berry the highest drafted safety in the history of the NFL and then payed him more then any other S ever in the history of the NFL. Are we trying to break the all-time stupidest transaction records or what. Honestly Chiefs fans what can we say for ourselves we drafted a safety when we had two good safeties, A CB named arenas who was only picked up because of his return ability we couldn’t get that in the 4th round? We picked up a RB who is now a slot receiver and flanker???
Whats your thought on all this?There were multiple good choices in this years draft and safety was in huge need of a great starter.
It was diffiicult to trade down because of the money demands associated with a Top 5 pick. Once the new CBA is completed and a rookie pay scale is put into place, then those top picks will be very valuable once again.
If our draft picks this year are as poor as you believe, then we will again have a top 5 pick and it will be much easier to trade down.I think this year’s class is the best draft class I’ve seen for the Chiefs in recent history. I think the Chiefs used a “Best Player Available” strategy this year vs. “Position of need” strategy that they used last year.
We got some serious playmakers in the draft this year.I think we added a lot of talent with the draft. What we didn’t do is fill holes through free agency. I think that was partly due to the unknowns around the CBA.
Coach;197264 wrote:It was diffiicult to trade down because of the money demands associated with a Top 5 pick. Once the new CBA is completed and a rookie pay scale is put into place, then those top picks will be very valuable once again.
If our draft picks this year are as poor as you believe, then we will again have a top 5 pick and it will be much easier to trade down.I think this year’s class is the best draft class I’ve seen for the Chiefs in recent history. I think the Chiefs used a “Best Player Available” strategy this year vs. “Position of need” strategy that they used last year.
We got some serious playmakers in the draft this year.I think we added a lot of talent with the draft. What we didn’t do is fill holes through free agency. I think that was partly due to the unknowns around the CBA.
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I am one who believes the “draft the best player available” theory is the route MOST teams with a top 5-7 pick should use. When your team is bad enough to warrant being in that position, it is clear that you have many glaring needs at multiple positions. I believe this is the route the Chiefs took this year. I also am a fan of teams that are in this position filling many of their needs through FA. Not that this is going to make the team 180 degrees better but your several years away from competing so a combination of best players in the draft regardless of position and FA in my mind is the best way to go.AussieChiefsFan;197258 wrote:There were multiple good choices in this years draft and safety was in huge need of a great starter.If anything we needed someone to stop the run or rush the passer and that is not what a safety does. Our rush defense was rated 31 out of 32 teams last year, or SECOND to LAST! Our offensive line was ranked 27. Our pass rushing also ranked 31 or second to last.Our pass defense was 22 which is bad, but a huge leap above our rush defense, pass rushing, and O-line. So our biggest need was stopping the run tied with pass rushing, O-line, and then our secondary. Know what your talking about before you throw out stupid claims that we had a huge need at safety.
Chief Tyler;197246 wrote:I’ll bite with the 2009 draft. I’m super disappointed with Jackson right now, especially considering he’s been demoted (whether it’s permanent we’ll find out, but Gilberry looks better). Pairing Orakpo with Hali would be a scary thought or maybe Raji could have offered that big nose tackle that we so desperately need. Aaron Curry has played below expectations and Cushing wasn’t considered an option, besides he’s a cheater. In the end though, hindsight is 20/20. Too bad the Chiefs don’t fork out cash for amateur evaluations after the fact.With the 2010 draft, you shouldn’t much much, if anything to complain about right now. The season is early but Berry is playing to expectations and maybe more. I haven’t looked into McClain, but Weatherspoon isn’t playing to the level that Berry is. Also, the chances of receiving decent compensation for high draft picks at this point is pretty slim, a second rounder would never have happened. The second rounders we have are playing like future superstars, which is more than most teams can say, and just about every other draft pick is showing some sort of promise unlike last years class with guys like Brown and O’Connel.
Orakpo and Hali=20+ sacks a year
I am much more excited about this draft than the last several…….
I see the Berry pick being a wise pick, meaning less likely to get burned. We were paying the big dollars to someone, and feel he was the safest choice, I know the OL needed help, and they did get it in a round about way, we should have more (quick) options with the McCluster pick, I liked the Arenas pick as well, Our special teams was horrible last year and he will makes a huge difference this year. I didnt like loosing a pick for the TE, however He will be a good one if he stays healthy, Overall the best draft by far in years, JMO. GO CHIEFS We will make the playoffs this year.
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