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02/24/2011 at 12:29 am #967302
Drunker Hillbilly
Member02/24/2011 at 1:24 am #967303chief31
Member::Drunker Hillbilly;227332 wrote:I don’t even know where to begin…….Where do you think those due’s you pay go?
Well, you didn’t bother to answer my question. But I’ll gladly answer yours.
I don’t know exactly where all of it goes, but I do know that alot of it goes to lobbying efforts. The game is dirty, but you have to play the game, or it will played against you.
I know that some goes to professionals at the game of dirt. Can’t just play with regular guys, need experts.
I also know that some of it goes into strike funds, so, if we ever have to strike, I have some form of income to help me sustain through it.
And I know that There are a few other funds out there.
Why? What have you got?
Drunker Hillbilly;227332 wrote:By your first insulting comment, I guess you if were ever in a position to own and/or operate your own business you would not do so and continue to work for someone else, union or not. Is this correct?Wait. Insulting?
You said it was me burying the unions, and I suggested that it was you, and you are insulted?
Whatever you say.
But, on to the question…
I would. But my conscience would never allow me to be one of the masters.
02/24/2011 at 6:14 am #967319Hayvern
Member::chief31;227329 wrote:They probably will get buried. But the guys with the shovels are those who wish they could make a real living.Then, once they are gone, one of two things will happen…
The working class will see what life is like without the unions around and rise up in revolt (Uniting together) against terrible wages, or the government will take over all duties of protecting the working class from the predatory capitalist system, by going more and more socialist.
One way, or another, financial anarchy (capitalism) will get to the end of the game, with winners and losers.
A whole lot more losers than winners.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly do the rest of you see happening when the unions are decimated? How do you see things going afterward?
Do you see the masters being kind and volunteering to pay wages higher than the lowest bidder?
Oh I don’t see anything happening. Only 12% of the working population is unionized and most of us are doing just fine with that. We have learned that we have to bring value to the company and when we do we get a higher wage. We are not limited to what the union says scale should be for what we do, we are limited only in the amount of competition there is for our services.
As a non-union equipment operator, I made more money than my unionized counter-parts AND had better benefits. I worked on union scale jobs once in a while and made even more money when I did, but I worked more hours each year than other people I knew in the union and in the end made more money per year.
I have since moved into an industry that has no union and again am glad for the opportunity. I have worked my way up from the ground to making a pretty good living wage.
We have protections for workers in place. Safety standards and minimum wages have been enacted. All of these things can be pointed back to the unions, this is some of the good that has come from them, but the good is done. They have now become a cancer, eating away at the prosperity of others around them, and like a cancer, the only thing that can live in the end is the cancer cells.
You say that people will turn to socialism, I say that unions ARE the embodiment of socialism. When you look at countries like France and Greece who are now having riots in the street, it is because of the unions. Both the unions have created the economic issues and are out on the streets rioting.
02/24/2011 at 1:52 pm #967325Drunker Hillbilly
Member02/27/2011 at 9:33 am #967419kcchiefsfan1982
Member::chiefs31, you need to pull your head out of your ***!
you are the reason this country will not last. You and all your like-minded buddies. I cannot believe this **** I am hearing about rich republicans and the ****ing demos being the “party of the people” You are living in a damn dream.
Im ready to get banned again I cannot stand these ****ers that are so selfish and vote for these demos so that they can get something for nothing.
well goodbye again. Sorry ppl like Chiefs31 are ending our once-great country.
Here is how it works…real world. You are the best damn worker at your company….lets say you frame houses….your boss treats you like ****….THERE ARE thousands of other home builders out there in this damn country, you say “SO LONG A-HOLE BOSS, Im going down the road. I am the best framer in the area. Ill work for someone else”
Scenerio 2: You are still the best damn framer. Your A-hole boss is underpaying you……you say “so long A-hole Boss, bob villa is offering me $5 more/hour down the road. See ya!”
scenerio 3: you are a damn good framer. Your boss is only paying you $15/hr to frame. You say boss, I need more, I am worth DAMN more than this! HE says “no i cannot pay you more, this is what you are worth to me” So you say “F$%$ this Im going down the road to Bob Villa”
so you go to Bob Villa. You tell Bob you want $17/hr. Bob says, “no can do son. You are only worth $15” and so he goes from boss to boss that tell him he is only worth $15.
Well, guess what that means?!??! HE IS ONLY WORTH $15 if no one is willing to pay him more! that is reality! DAMNIT!
Free market is GOD! FREE MARKET IS PROSPERITY. ALL ALTERNATIVES LEAD TO FAILURE AND DESTRUCTION! We will all share in the misery of Chiefs31 selfishness. Thank you Chiefs31! Hope you have a great day destroying our country! VOte for Barack!
02/27/2011 at 9:37 am #967420kcchiefsfan1982
Member::Quit demonizing the “Masters” or rich ppl!
It is ok that there are some ppl that have billions and some ppl that have only thousands. THAT IS NOT A BAD SCENERIO!
I make $%$% $30,000 a year and am fine with it. Im not an a-hole American that votes to get more free stuff.
I need rich ppl so i can stay employed. I am not jealous or envious of their success either.
02/27/2011 at 7:50 pm #967422tornadospotter
Member02/27/2011 at 8:46 pm #967425chief31
Member::kcchiefsfan1982;227468 wrote:Quit demonizing the “Masters” or rich ppl!It is ok that there are some ppl that have billions and some ppl that have only thousands. THAT IS NOT A BAD SCENERIO!
I make $%$% $30,000 a year and am fine with it. Im not an a-hole American that votes to get more free stuff.
I need rich ppl so i can stay employed. I am not jealous or envious of their success either.
You may only do $30,000 dollars worth of work in a year. But I do more.
Your free market is economic anarchy, and is no better than social anarchy.
And, while I condone neither, allowing one, without the other, leads to slavery.
For a quick reference to check the validity of that claim, check…. human history, past and present.
As far as Capitalism being “the only way, all other ways have failed”, so has capitalism.
And while I agree that there is not a damn thing wrong with being rich, aside from greed, the problem for me is when those who are overindulging themselves demand to get even more, while also insisting that everybody else gets less. And also demand that many get nothing.
This isn’t the wild. It isn’t the jungle. It is called a civilized society.
We have social laws because man has proven that they will do wrong if they are allowed to do wrong.
Oddly enough, that is what we need economic laws for. But we refuse to match economic restrictions with social restrictions, making the playing-field quite unbalanced.
If the government were to keep economic restrictions on par with the social restriction, then we would have far too much socialism for most people.
That’s where Unionization comes in. It is the working people demanding that the price of labor meet the needs of the laborers.
If you just go with your “Bidding” theory, then we will need to bid lower than Chinese slave labor to keep jobs.
Because, no matter how great you are at your job, you can’t keep up with thirty Chinese laborers who, collectively, still cost less than you.
As for which “party” is for which people, there really is no question about it.
I see Dems pass healthcare reform and extend assistance to the unemployed, and I see Reps come in and demand only gifts for the masters. And extensive cuts to the needy.
And the two parties have been just like that for as long as I have been alive.
I don’t have to make elaborate webs of speculative conspiracy to come up with ways to paint the other party as being against me. Everything they do is directly against me, and all of the working-class.
02/27/2011 at 9:21 pm #967430tornadospotter
Member02/28/2011 at 6:46 am #967440kcchiefsfan1982
Member::That is the thing, Chiefs31….when someone in this system gets greedy and charges too much, someone else steps in and charges less! You just don’t get it.
My dad has his business….and he has to risk a lot of money on each job that he bids with his construction company. He cannot charge any price he wants, because there are anywhere from 3-10 other companies bidding on a given project as well.
There are checks and balances for everything, as long as there are no monopolies on any given industry….or only 3 or so players in that industry. That is the only time there could be a problem, and there are laws set in place to break monopolies up. It all works out….until these unions F%$% everything over. Which they are. Good-bye USA. We cannot sustain it.
And the worse type of union…public union….school teachers, etc. The type of business that cannot go bankrupt, because when it runs out of funds, it can just take more from the workers by raising taxes instead of reducing their spending like a real business would….ok there is nothing i can say really.
Ill just end with this. Our founding fathers were geniouses. But, no man can set up a country that will last forever. Eventually, when idiots have the right to vote, they will destroy themselves….at some point…and we have come to that point. So, I shouldn’t complain. I am glad I got to enjoy some of the fruits of our forefathers time, efforts and dedication. It was a fun ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Chiefs
02/28/2011 at 2:36 pm #967442Drunker Hillbilly
Member::chief31;227479 wrote:You may only do $30,000 dollars worth of work in a year. But I do more.Your free market is economic anarchy, and is no better than social anarchy.
And, while I condone neither, allowing one, without the other, leads to slavery.
For a quick reference to check the validity of that claim, check…. human history, past and present.
As far as Capitalism being “the only way, all other ways have failed”, so has capitalism.
And while I agree that there is not a damn thing wrong with being rich, aside from greed, the problem for me is when those who are overindulging themselves demand to get even more, while also insisting that everybody else gets less. And also demand that many get nothing.
This isn’t the wild. It isn’t the jungle. It is called a civilized society.
We have social laws because man has proven that they will do wrong if they are allowed to do wrong.
Oddly enough, that is what we need economic laws for. But we refuse to match economic restrictions with social restrictions, making the playing-field quite unbalanced.
If the government were to keep economic restrictions on par with the social restriction, then we would have far too much socialism for most people.
That’s where Unionization comes in. It is the working people demanding that the price of labor meet the needs of the laborers.
If you just go with your “Bidding” theory, then we will need to bid lower than Chinese slave labor to keep jobs.
Because, no matter how great you are at your job, you can’t keep up with thirty Chinese laborers who, collectively, still cost less than you.
As for which “party” is for which people, there really is no question about it.
I see Dems pass healthcare reform and extend assistance to the unemployed, and I see Reps come in and demand only gifts for the masters. And extensive cuts to the needy.
And the two parties have been just like that for as long as I have been alive.
I don’t have to make elaborate webs of speculative conspiracy to come up with ways to paint the other party as being against me. Everything they do is directly against me, and all of the working-class.
EPIC FAIL!!!!!! I shall :sign0053: myself and no longer post in this thread. The second I saw you revert to Obamacare……..GEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02/28/2011 at 9:49 pm #967462chief31
Member::Drunker Hillbilly;227502 wrote:EPIC FAIL!!!!!! I shall :sign0053: myself and no longer post in this thread. The second I saw you revert to Obamacare……..GEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Right.
Probably a good idea to hold your tongue, instead of going over the top on the mistaken assumption that I think the Healthcare law is a good one.
Well-intentioned? Yes. But hardly an upgrade from the failed system in place.
The point was that I can plainly see who has which people’s interests in mind.
And with keywords like “Obamacare” I can plainly see that you and I watch the same news channel.
03/01/2011 at 12:20 am #967469Drunker Hillbilly
Member::chief31;227525 wrote:Right.Probably a good idea to hold your tongue, instead of going over the top on the mistaken assumption that I think the Healthcare law is a good one.
Well-intentioned? Yes. But hardly an upgrade from the failed system in place.
The point was that I can plainly see who has which people’s interests in mind.
And with keywords like “Obamacare” I can plainly see that you and I watch the same news channel.
😆 Doubt it! I’m sure contrary to what you may believe, I try to watch multiple channels to get a perspective from both sides. I just find myself running to the bathroom to vomit when I watch your channel most of the time! I may try to see MSNBC’s point now that they fired Olberman. Whack job!!!!!!
Ok, one more post!!! LMAO….
03/01/2011 at 1:34 am #967473kcchiefsfan1982
Member::I too shall remove myself from this post. I have already accepted our downfall. Not because I have given up. But, it is not possible, once certain goodies are set in place, to ever take them back.
I need to just enjoy the remainder of our good days with all my liberal, conservative, libertarian, and socialist friends and also friends that just don’t give a **** either way!
03/02/2011 at 2:35 am #967525Chiefster
Participant::chief31;227525 wrote:Right.Probably a good idea to hold your tongue, instead of going over the top on the mistaken assumption that I think the Healthcare law is a good one.
Well-intentioned? Yes. But hardly an upgrade from the failed system in place.
The point was that I can plainly see who has which people’s interests in mind.
And with keywords like “Obamacare” I can plainly see that you and I watch the same news channel.
LOL! Yep!
Could not agree more. A government sponsored health care system will run as efficiently as the post office.
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