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    @ctchiefsfan 340891 wrote:

    So you are saying trade Alex and Ware to Dorsey and keep West as our #2 running back? That’s a very interesting idea. Especially if it could really improve our draft situation. My compliments for really thinking “outside the box”. You would be a MUCH BETTER GM than I would. You probably play better chess than I do too.

    Yes hunt is our #1 now. Ware coming back we would have too much depth at rb.

    Hunt, west, ware, A. Hunt

    Ware amd hunt are more similar than west. So change of back would west amd A. Hunt 3rs string.

    Ware could browns #1 rb. With smith amd ware the browns would already immidiately be upgraded more competitive. Id say browns could easily go 8-8 next year with smithbamd ware alomg with their draft picks this and last years. Browns would be stupid to turn the trade down.

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    @Bike 340858 wrote:

    You bet! But here’s another thought. If Reid can’t trade Smith for the picks he wants – Smith stays. For all we know, Reid has no intention of letting Smith go. I don’t think there is any way on earth the Chiefs release Smith outright. There are other ways to get our cap down per my previous post.
    We shall see!

    Sorry to take so long to reply. The thread got kind of busy last night and I missed a few posts.

    Personally, I’d prefer we kept Smith for the remainder of his contract. But I really don’t see how we can. I saw your post with ways we could save something like $49 million, but to let that many veterans (all of them on the Defense) leave in a year where our draft picks are pretty much depleted would probably wreck next season. If there is a way to keep him for 2018 I’d want to do it. But I think the cost of the path you suggested is just too high.

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    @Bike 340887 wrote:

    Consider this: If Reid can’t trade Smith for the picks he wants – Smith stays. For all we know, Reid has no intention of letting Smith go. I don’t think there is any way on earth the Chiefs release Smith outright. There are other ways to get our cap down per my previous post.

    I hope like hell you are right. Alex is a very good QB and to just outright release him because of the cap would be borderline criminal.

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    @jason1981 340889 wrote:

    Yeah i think we can get browns to bite on this. We have to remember if teams know we will cut him anyways. And alex wont cry if we cit him cuz he will still get whats due plus money he signs with next team. So we could throw in ware to help.

    Y’know Jason….the more I think about this idea the more I like it. It adds another $2 million to our cap space on top of the $17 million we’d save by trading Alex. It would certainly be good for the Browns since it would give them a veteran QB and RB both of whom have 3-4 truly solid years left in them. And being honest now that we have Hunt, Ware is…well…expendable.

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    @ctchiefsfan 340896 wrote:

    I hope like hell you are right. Alex is a very good QB and to just outright release him because of the cap would be borderline criminal.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m ready to move on from Alex Smith. I’m ready for the Mahomes era to begin. But the situation has to be right for Mahomes, and for the Chiefs. To me, the best scenerio is for another year of maturity for Mahomes, and for AS11 to finish out his contract. I wouldn’t even mind if Mahomes beats out AS11 in training cap and Smith backs up Mahomes! Either way, we are a better team with AS11 here for the last year of his contract. Does Hunt/Veach/Reid think the same? I think they do. If they can fix Dorsey’s cap fiasco. Which I think they can do.

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    @ctchiefsfan 340897 wrote:

    Y’know Jason….the more I think about this idea the more I like it. It adds another $2 million to our cap space on top of the $17 million we’d save by trading Alex. It would certainly be good for the Browns since it would give them a veteran QB and RB both of whom have 3-4 truly solid years left in them. And being honest now that we have Hunt, Ware is…well…expendable.

    Browns would be stupid to turn down a smith and ware deal that was fair. Those two wouls make browms instantly respectable and competitive omce again.

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    @ctchiefsfan 340895 wrote:

    Sorry to take so long to reply. The thread got kind of busy last night and I missed a few posts.

    Personally, I’d prefer we kept Smith for the remainder of his contract. But I really don’t see how we can. I saw your post with ways we could save something like $49 million, but to let that many veterans (all of them on the Defense) leave in a year where our draft picks are pretty much depleted would probably wreck next season. If there is a way to keep him for 2018 I’d want to do it. But I think the cost of the path you suggested is just too high.

    Well, let’s take a look at those six players I mentioned to reduce our cap by 49 mil:

    Revis – his play was embarrassing vs Tennessee. Let him go.
    Ford – oft injured, never did pan out like we had hoped – zero payout of dead cap money. Let him go.
    Hali – end of great career. Oft injured. Let him go.
    Bailey – part of the worst DL in the NFL vs the run. Replaceable via trade or FA. Let him go.
    DJ – still playing well, team leader, great player, but getting up there in age and speed. Restructure to a cap-friendly contract, or trade/release.
    Parker – decent safety but replaceable via FA/draft/trade. Restructure to a cap-friendly contract, or trade/release.
    There’s your 49 mil cap reduction and AS11 stays.

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      @Bike 340900 wrote:

      Well, let’s take a look at those six players I mentioned to reduce our cap by 49 mil:

      Revis – his play was embarrassing vs Tennessee. Let him go.
      Ford – oft injured, never did pan out like we had hoped – zero payout of dead cap money. Let him go.
      Hali – end of great career. Oft injured. Let him go.
      Bailey – part of the worst DL in the NFL vs the run. Replaceable via trade or FA. Let him go.
      DJ – still playing well, team leader, great player, but getting up there in age and speed. Restructure to a cap-friendly contract, or trade/release.
      Parker – decent safety but replaceable via FA/draft/trade. Restructure to a cap-friendly contract, or trade/release.
      There’s your 49 mil cap reduction and AS11 stays.

      I could see them letting go of any you listed outside of Ford I don’t think they would let him go.

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      @matthewschiefs 340901 wrote:

      I could see them letting go of any you listed outside of Ford I don’t think they would let him go.

      I dunno. He is an ok player, but not up to his 1st rd pick status. Ford has had back problems ever since college, and was put on IR again this year. He is averaging 4 sacks/yr with the Chiefs. Definetely tradable.

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      @Bike 340900 wrote:

      Well, let’s take a look at those six players I mentioned to reduce our cap by 49 mil:

      Revis – his play was embarrassing vs Tennessee. Let him go.
      Ford – oft injured, never did pan out like we had hoped – zero payout of dead cap money. Let him go.
      Hali – end of great career. Oft injured. Let him go.
      Bailey – part of the worst DL in the NFL vs the run. Replaceable via trade or FA. Let him go.
      DJ – still playing well, team leader, great player, but getting up there in age and speed. Restructure to a cap-friendly contract, or trade/release.
      Parker – decent safety but replaceable via FA/draft/trade. Restructure to a cap-friendly contract, or trade/release.
      There’s your 49 mil cap reduction and AS11 stays.

      I think your wrong about
      Bailey, -we need him. Run defense
      Parker- underrated and multi position flexibility

      Dee Ford- we meed pash rushers.

      We keep these 3 players atleast.

      I wont mind keeping revis to help tutor peters.

      Maybe we csn trade peters simce he wont stand for the flag amd national anthem.

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        @jason1981 340899 wrote:

        Browns would be stupid to turn down a smith and ware deal that was fair. Those two wouls make browms instantly respectable and competitive omce again.

        then they could use the first Pick on Josh Rosen QB from UCLA and then the 4th pick on RB Shaquan Barkley from Penn State boom Smith, Rosen, Ware and Barkley instantly better that’s what I would do anyways

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        @Chiefs4life24 340905 wrote:

        then they could use the first Pick on Josh Rosen QB from UCLA and then the 4th pick on RB Shaquan Barkley from Penn State boom Smith, Rosen, Ware and Barkley instantly better that’s what I would do anyways

        Rosen has come out and said he will NOT play for Cleveland. I think Dorsey takes the rb. Maybe then he trades the 4th for Smith and Ware!

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        @jason1981 340904 wrote:

        I think your wrong about
        Bailey, -we need him. Run defense
        Parker- underrated and multi position flexibility

        Dee Ford- we meed pash rushers.

        We keep these 3 players atleast.

        I wont mind keeping revis to help tutor peters.

        Maybe we csn trade peters simce he wont stand for the flag amd national anthem.

        The way our D folded in the 2nd half of the Tennessee game, I wouldn’t care if we traded the whole bunch and started anew…

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          @Bike 340903 wrote:

          I dunno. He is an ok player, but not up to his 1st rd pick status. Ford has had back problems ever since college, and was put on IR again this year. He is averaging 4 sacks/yr with the Chiefs. Definetely tradable.

          If I recall correctly he was leading the team in sacks before getting hurt.

          I don’t really disagree that he is cutable I just think they won’t instead they will stick with him hoping that he can stay healthy next year.

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          @matthewschiefs 340908 wrote:

          If I recall correctly he was leading the team in sacks before getting hurt.

          I don’t really disagree that he is cutable I just think they won’t instead they will stick with him hoping that he can stay healthy next year.

          I hope they do keep him. But he is a 9 million dollar cap hit – with zero dead money – in an unfriendly cap year.

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