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Ryfo18;225238 wrote:Despite the bad year last year, Fox certainly isn’t a bad coach. He’s been to a Super Bowl and won some division championships with the Panthers. He’ll make the Broncos competitive, but hopefully not enough to be taking any AFC West championships from us!
Exactly. I guess I’m the outsider here. I think the hiring of Fox was a great move for the Broncos. Don’t judge John Fox on this year’s record. Ownership of the Panthers put him in an impossible situation to succeed. Ownership bled this team of all it’s talent. When they didn’t resign Fox to a new deal last offseason, it was very apparent that it would be his last year. I think if you asked the 32 coaches in the NFL which team had the worst ownership, at least 20 of them would name the same team; Carolina. The Carolina fans that paid $10,000 for the PSL’s for this team are fuming right now. Letting guys like Peppers walk away. This team is a mess and it isn’t because of John Fox.
Look at his track record. He’s a great defensive mind. I don’t think the Broncos will finish ahead the Chiefs next year, but don’t discount John Fox. This is a great hire by John Elway.
Fox is a good hire for them – in the short term. He’s not going to lead them to a SB or even probably a playoff spot, but he’ll instill discipline, help develop Tebow (he did wonders with Delhomme) and help rebuild the defense. Best of all, he doesn’t get involved in front office affairs. He wants to coach, not be in charge of player personnel. He won’t firesale his best players McDaniels-style.
That said, he isn’t the strongest coach, he generally does poor in developing offensive skill players, and his teams always seem to be injured/beat up.
I think he’ll have some nice 6-10 to 9-7 sorts of years while rebeuilding the team. He’ll then be replaced for someone younger who can make the Broncos truly competitive.
bwilliams;225242 wrote:Fox is a good hire for them – in the short term. He’s not going to lead them to a SB or even probably a playoff spot, but he’ll instill discipline, help develop Tebow (he did wonders with Delhomme) and help rebuild the defense. Best of all, he doesn’t get involved in front office affairs. He wants to coach, not be in charge of player personnel. He won’t firesale his best players McDaniels-style.That said, he isn’t the strongest coach, he generally does poor in developing offensive skill players, and his teams always seem to be injured/beat up.
I think he’ll have some nice 6-10 to 9-7 sorts of years while rebeuilding the team. He’ll then be replaced for someone younger who can make the Broncos truly competitive.
It wasnt Fox who did wonders with Delhoome. It was Mike McCoy who did that, and McCoy was doing that this year with Tebow. Fox is a defensive minded coach and doesn’t know much about coaching up the QB’s
4everchiefsfan25;225248 wrote:It wasnt Fox who did wonders with Delhoome. It was Mike McCoy who did that, and McCoy was doing that this year with Tebow. Fox is a defensive minded coach and doesn’t know much about coaching up the QB’sFox had a great deal to do with Delhomme. Just as defensive-oriented Belichick had a great deal to do with Brady. Whether or not a young QB succeeds or fails is at least as much to do with the HC as it does the QB coach, whether he’s a primarily defensive guy or not.
bwilliams;225252 wrote:Fox had a great deal to do with Delhomme. Just as defensive-oriented Belichick had a great deal to do with Brady. Whether or not a young QB succeeds or fails is at least as much to do with the HC as it does the QB coach, whether he’s a primarily defensive guy or not.I believe Charlie Weis is the one that got all the credit for working with Brady. Haley doesn’t get credit for developing Cassel, that was Weis. Haley gets credit for developing WR’s because thats his nitch. Fox’s nitch is defense its not QB’s.
4everchiefsfan25;225254 wrote:I believe Charlie Weis is the one that got all the credit for working with Brady. Haley doesn’t get credit for developing Cassel, that was Weis. Haley gets credit for developing WR’s because thats his nitch. Fox’s nitch is defense its not QB’s.You are severely, severely undervaluing the impact that head coaches have on player development, especially QB development. Read Brady’s comments on Belichick sometime (Brady says Belichick is the best ever).
bwilliams;225256 wrote:You are severely, severely undervaluing the impact that head coaches have on player development, especially QB development. Read Brady’s comments on Belichick sometime (Brady says Belichick is the best ever).I’m not saying Belichick isnt one of the best HC’s the NFL has ever seen but no where in that article does that say Brady credits Belichick for developing him.
4everchiefsfan25;225259 wrote:I’m not saying Belichick isnt one of the best HC’s the NFL has ever seen but no where in that article does that say Brady credits Belichick for developing him.Brady agreed with Ryan’s assessment that it’s a huge advantage to have Bill Belichick on your side. “I get a ton of help from our coach,” Brady said.Read more: Brady says Belichick is the best ever
“According to quarterback Tom Brady, he does get a ton of help from coach Bill Belichick when preparing for an opponent, and he isn’t about to apologize for it.”
Tom Brady agrees with Rex Ryan, Bill Belichick does help him study: “We have the best coach in the history of football” | masslive.com
Are you really claiming that who a head coach is has no impact on how a QB develops?
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