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    N TX Dave;252794 wrote:
    I have a question how old where this kids that were abused 10 or were they players on the team? If not in school why were they even in the shower? If they were players why did they not knock out the dude?
    I was a BSA Scout Master for 18 years and if I suspected any abuse of any kind I was supposed to tell the professional scouter (District Executive) and he/she would get in touch with the authorities not me and if they dropped the ball they would be out of the job not me. Of course we are talking about abuse at home or elsewhere than in the scouts. If it was a adult in my troop he would have been told to go away and not come back but I still would not been involved with the police.

    To me the only thing Pappa Joe did not do was get rid of the guy. But if Joe did and the guy was proven innocent Joe and the college would have been open for a lawsuite and it would have happened.

    their average age was 12 and this was discovered after sandusky resigned from Penn State. The boys were from an outreach program he started and chaired along with Mat Millen who worked very closely with him, much closer than Paterno during that time period. not that I would blame Millen but did espn give him a pass cause he works there???

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    Canada;252788 wrote:
    Slow your roll there big fella. They are all guilty. does that make Paterno less guilty?? Hes only kind of guilty in the child molestation case?? thats the guy you are defending here? why…because he has also done some good things in his life? Would you feel the same way if this was going on at your kids school and your kid was involved? Would Paterno still get a pass?

    what exactly do you think Paterno is “guilty”‘ of?? as far as him doing “some” good you should take some time to check this guy out. He probably ranks below Mother Theresa and the Pope with all the good he has done over the last 40 years. I am am exagerating the point of course but he has worked tirelesly for not just his players but for under privledged children, countless charities, even for families of our soldiers over seas. i saw him at a local charity event when he flew in on his own dime and did not take any money for the appearence. the event was marred the next day by a local bonehead reporter chastising for telling a polish pope joke. even the the head of the local Polish American club said it was tasteful and funny and did not see a problem yet this reporter had to write a scathing editorial. that was the last time joe Pa came to our area. this is what the media does, just lookin to sell adds and papers, dopn’t care about right or wrong just get thier byline and make headlines. did i mention i hate reporters?

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    chiefnut;252826 wrote:
    their average age was 12 and this was discovered after sandusky resigned from Penn State. The boys were from an outreach program he started and chaired along with Mat Millen who worked very closely with him, much closer than Paterno during that time period. not that I would blame Millen but did espn give him a pass cause he works there???

    Well if it was discovered after sandusky had left and Paterno reported to the higher-ups just what was Joe supposed to do? Why was not Millen the responsible party more so the Joe? To me it sounds like Joe was made a scapgoat for the whole deal because he was in bad health and in no condition to fight it. He might of even said it is time for me to quit so I will take the blame. I don’t know to me there are a lot of people that are more to blame than Joe was. It was not Joe’s responsibility to determine guilt.

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    N TX Dave;252835 wrote:
    Well if it was discovered after sandusky had left and Paterno reported to the higher-ups just what was Joe supposed to do? Why was not Millen the responsible party more so the Joe? To me it sounds like Joe was made a scapgoat for the whole deal because he was in bad health and in no condition to fight it. He might of even said it is time for me to quit so I will take the blame. I don’t know to me there are a lot of people that are more to blame than Joe was. It was not Joe’s responsibility to determine guilt.

    Heres my thoughts. Why didn’t Joe Call the police when he was told about the situation? That’s the same thing I have for the guy who saw it happen. Why they didn’t go call the police ASAP I will never understand. If I see something like that at work I don’t think of calling my boss I think of calling the Police. That’s the issue with Joe.

    Having said that I do agree he is taking far to much Blame IMO. He deserves a lot of the blame for what happened but I think some are going overboard with the blame that goes on him. I do think it’s sad that some are just looking at this one mistake that he made although It was a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE mistake he did far more good then bad. He gave Millions of dollars to help that school. He help many kids. Not because he had to because he chose to. This one mistake doesn’t define his life. He did a lot of good. I don’t think that should be forgotten.

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    matthewschiefs;252840 wrote:
    Heres my thoughts. Why didn’t Joe Call the police when he was told about the situation? That’s the same thing I have for the guy who saw it happen. Why they didn’t go call the police ASAP I will never understand. If I see something like that at work I don’t think of calling my boss I think of calling the Police. That’s the issue with Joe.

    Having said that I do agree he is taking far to much Blame IMO. He deserves a lot of the blame for what happened but I think some are going overboard with the blame that goes on him. I do think it’s sad that some are just looking at this one mistake that he made although It was a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE mistake he did far more good then bad. He gave Millions of dollars to help that school. He help many kids. Not because he had to because he chose to. This one mistake doesn’t define his life. He did a lot of good. I don’t think that should be forgotten.

    you are 100% correct, the person who saw it should have called the police, that was Mike Mcreary, who by the way was never fired nor called out in the media. it was Joe paterno who had it reported to the head of the university police as soon as he found out, which again is not like a bunch of overweight security guards, this is a police force larger than that of State College which surrounds it, and more than capable of handling first on the scene. the fans were so incensed over Paternos firing and the codling of mccreary that he needed police protection at the next game. noone their could understand why this guy was walking around still coaching after waht he failed to do. based on the reaction to Paterno by the media should not mccreary have been arrested for failing to stop or report a crime in progress, and then later lying to a grand jury?????

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    i heard the reason Paterno did not fire back at the board of trustees or the media was that he did not believe it would have benefitted the school or the students to do rather it would have created more distractions for the students who are there to get an education and would damage the schools reputation further. even though they treated him like crap in the end he still loved Penn State and would not do anything that was not in the best interest of the students. i know i would have mighty pi###ed of and bitter lookin for a way to get back at them and clear my name. Joe is a much better person than i.

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    Penn state did joe paterno wrong
    he didnt deserve to be fired

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    So sad that people are all willing to look the other way because he was a football coach.

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    Canada;253247 wrote:
    So sad that people are all willing to look the other way because he was a football coach.

    The only reason this was ever a big deal is because he was a football coach. Otherwise, what’s the problem. There was an incident and he told his superiors of the problem. It’s not like he ran from the situation. The public has made a mockery of the situation. It seems as though Paterno is getting more blame for everything that has happened than Sandusky. People need to wake up. If anyone should be blamed for not passing the word along to the right person, it’s the McQuerys. McQuery ran and told his father, who so brilliantly decided that the coach of the football team was the right person to go to. If anything, Joe Paterno was the only person who acted accordingly in the situation by making sure it was passed up the ladder to the head of the university.

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    Bare minimum

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    He’s the only one that did anything. No one else with knowledge of the situation did anything remotely responsible. McQuery told his dad; nobody complained about that. His dad told ‘the football coach;’ nobody complained about that. Joe Paterno told the AD and the University president. They told no one; nobody complained about that. The only reason they got into trouble is because they lied about the situation.

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    Canada;252746 wrote:
    Absolutely agree. i think Paterno has been judged in the public eye more because he is a recognizeable figure. If I walked past his assisstant on the street I would have no idea. But I do agree they are all guilty and should all rot in a cell somewhere under the jail.
    Chief Concerns;253327 wrote:
    He’s the only one that did anything. No one else with knowledge of the situation did anything remotely responsible. McQuery told his dad; nobody complained about that. His dad told ‘the football coach;’ nobody complained about that. Joe Paterno told the AD and the University president. They told no one; nobody complained about that. The only reason they got into trouble is because they lied about the situation.

    Perhaps you should read before you say no one cares about that.

    And if him doing “anything remotely responsible” is not doing enough. I dont care how you look at it. they are all guilty, as far as Im concerned it was a child porn ring and they should all be shot.

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    Question? Why didn’t sanscumbags superior fire or suspended his employment? Who was sanscums direct employment superior? Head Coach?????
    As for Joe P, I am sorry for his family, and yes he will go down in the history books as one of College footballs greats, but for me, I never really like him.

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    aaron13pgh;253042 wrote:
    Penn state did joe paterno wrong
    he didnt deserve to be fired

    I have to disagree with you there. I don’t think there is anyway that they could have kept him. His actions resulted in a HUGE black eye for that school. He deserved to get fired.

    Canada;253247 wrote:
    So sad that people are all willing to look the other way because he was a football coach.

    I don’t think it’s looking the other way with some I think it’s more not using this issue to define who he was. He did a lot of good things for that school and people around that school. I don’t think that one action defines a person you have to look at there whole life. At least that’s how I look at it.

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    tornadospotter;253375 wrote:
    Question? Why didn’t sanscumbags superior fire or suspended his employment? Who was sanscums direct employment superior? Head Coach?????
    As for Joe P, I am sorry for his family, and yes he will go down in the history books as one of College footballs greats, but for me, I never really like him.

    Joe was NOT his superior, sandusky was no longer employed at Penn State when the shower incident happened. he retired 3 years earlier although he still had privledges at the university and that was per the AD which IS whom Joe reported it to.

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