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And I take very little from a MOCK board who still has the Chiefs Drafting a DE right before Love, because Dee Ford is a disappointment on his last year and Houston has a big contract. To me, they did little research on the Chiefs and just said, Hey a RB would fit here because they lost Hunt. Just as the same national writers Think L. Bell would be a landing spot for this team, which will never happen because of contracts alone
And I don’t want to discredit Love. I think he would be a great addition to the Chiefs. I just don’t value him as a 2nd. From everything I have read, and all the negative scouting reports on him. His reports sound identical to Jamal Charles.
@Seek 346311 wrote:
I am sorry if I offend you, but you are taking things way out of context to make your own argument laughable.
1. I mentioned that I don’t care if the Chiefs take a RB in the 1st round, because I do value the position. While you never stated that, you did make it sound like I was saying that drafting a QB in the first two rounds is not plausible. I don’t feel that way. I just do feel that way with this up coming draft given our needs
2. I did Address the Elephant in the room. We need a new DC… That sounds very unlikely, thus the need for better players in crucial positions that were ignored in the last draft until later rounds when the value was lower. Thus my issue with taking a RB in the 2nd. I value corner, LB and safety over RB. There was times Sutton made the right play but the defense just failed to execute. Assuming coaching will just fix it, is ignoring a big part of the problem and trying to fix it by covering it up with a better offense.
3. The whole thread was started about too good to pass up with Bryce Love in Round two… So yes!!! this is about Bryce Love in the 2nd round. Which would irritate me. Unlike the Drama you made it out to be. I will get over it, and support him. I just ask that he not wear 27.
4. At no point did I say anything about Henderson or Anderson so it is you ripping it out of context. I think running back in the 3rd round is the sweet spot.
5. So to defend the defense – you are using a game in which Hunt still played in against the Rams, making your own argument for a RB a need over defensive help contradicting. Yes we drafted all Defense this year and still stink…
Again, I am sorry I offended you, apparently many times before. That being said, I have been a member here for long time. I don’t intend to leave. I will try to temper my words more closely for you, as I am actually a very agreeable with most people. If you can’t agree to be civil. So be it.
My argument isn’t laughable, because you haven’t really refuted it, as any objective observer can can easily see.
1. You say you’d be irritated if the Chiefs take a RB in round 2, then turn around and say you wouldn’t care if the Chiefs take a RB in round 1. Think about what you saying there & how senseless that comes across. Personally, I’d rather have the best DB available in round 1.
2. No, you didn’t. You never mentioned anything about a DC, until I pointed it out. And I don’t value CB, S, and LB over RB. I value all of them along side one another, as that is what this team needs. I will point out that the RB is likely to make the quicker & bigger impact than any of the other three. Don’t believe it? See 2017 season opener at NE, and that’s not the only case.
3. If Love has a good combine and personal workout & passes all the tests, then I think he is too good to pass up at the end of round 2, assuming he isn’t already gone by then, as he’s a proven game-breaker and the Chiefs will not have that in their backfield going into the 2019 unless they draft it (or else they bring Hunt back, but there isn’t any indication as of yet that is going to happen). You cannot coach 4.3 speed. You can coach all the other things. See my point in statement 2 about a RB being more likely to make an instant impact than the other positions mentioned. You say you would be irritated about taking a RB in round 2, which is silly when they have 2 (two) 2nd-round picks, plus they can draft Defensive players with all their other draft picks, if they want to.
4. What you saying there is pointless. I’m the one that made mention of Henderson and Anderson. Whether you said anything about them is irrelevant.
5. Pure BUNK. I pointed out the Defense wasn’t the only reason for the teams losses, in the Rams and LAC games, as you were suggesting. Come to think of it, the two fumbles by the Offense didn’t help matters in the Seattle game. And there is no contradiction, as your statement of “making your own argument for a RB a need over defensive help contradicting” tries to suggest. Again, ripping things out of context. Anyone with any common sense and logic would know I am suggesting taking a RB in ADDITION to Defensive help, not OVER Defensive help, as you are suggesting (the Chiefs do have more than one draft pick in the 2019 draft, last time anybody checked.)
As for being a member here for a long time — so what? That has no more meaning to me than if you carry lunch to work every day packed inside a Donald Duck lunchbox, because it doesn’t make everything you say correct and valid. I’ve been a long-time member too — so what?
As for Mock drafts, it doesn’t matter if you or anyone else puts any stock into it. What matters is whether or not what they are suggesting makes sense, and yes, finding a replacement for Kareem Hunt does make sense.
you are just so high on yourself you complete ignore most of my statements to completely debunk nothing but your own self gratification ot thinking you are putting me in my place over nothing. everything you have debunked me on is your opinion and proved nothing. just point one alone, I said I do value a rb in rounds one, JUST not this year… yet you keep leaving that out to call it laughable.
point 4 is pointless… you used them to debunk something about me I never said.. you brought them in to this to make my point laughable…. your making that up.
if the chiefs address the secondary issues either in free agency or trades… then taking a running back in round two is plausible, assuming he is the full package. Scouting reports I have read question thst he is, but as I stated so did Jamal Charles scouting report so who knows.
i was looking for a civil agreement as you clearly have an Issue with me. I didnt any issues with you until now. as a long time member iness trying to respect you and think about my lost before setting you off. instead you made up more babble and opinions to debunk nothing and are trying to push me out… I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on everything going forward. since I’m so stupid and your the all knowing.
Guys come on be nice please this is supposed to be a place of calm discussions and peace talk it out calmly please you 2 are both important to this board and i dont want to see either of you leave because of a stupid argument, also please refrain from putdowns and namecalling
@brdempsey69 346310 wrote:
I will also add that I like Alex Barnes of Kansas State and he might be available in Round 3 or 4. Big back who can be an every down back.
What say you to him C4L?
Is he the home run hitter you are so instant on, or his he another Spencer Ware. Sounds like you are contradicting yourself here.
@Chiefs4life24 346320 wrote:
Guys come on be nice please this is supposed to be a place of calm discussions and peace talk it out calmly please you 2 are both important to this board and i dont want to see either of you leave because of a stupid argument, also please refrain from putdowns and namecalling
I agree, and asked him to do the same. However, I won’t back down to a cyber bully, as he took to the insulting and I tried to take the higher road.
@Seek 346321 wrote:
Is he the home run hitter you are so instant on, or his he another Spencer Ware. Sounds like you are contradicting yourself here.
That question was directed at C4L, as to what HE thinks of this particular player, not you. Again, ripping things out of context. Go find your own answers.
@Seek 346321 wrote:
I agree, and asked him to do the same. However, I won’t back down to a cyber bully, as he took to the insulting and I tried to take the higher road.
You can yammer on all you want to. I’m always in need of a good laugh. It’s not cyber-bullying, as you say, it is simply making germane points that you can’t answer directly or refute.
@Seek 346318 wrote:
you are just so high on yourself you complete ignore most of my statements to completely debunk nothing but your own self gratification ot thinking you are putting me in my place over nothing. everything you have debunked me on is your opinion and proved nothing. just point one alone, I said I do value a rb in rounds one, JUST not this year… yet you keep leaving that out to call it laughable.
point 4 is pointless… you used them to debunk something about me I never said.. you brought them in to this to make my point laughable…. your making that up.
if the chiefs address the secondary issues either in free agency or trades… then taking a running back in round two is plausible, assuming he is the full package. Scouting reports I have read question thst he is, but as I stated so did Jamal Charles scouting report so who knows.
i was looking for a civil agreement as you clearly have an Issue with me. I didnt any issues with you until now. as a long time member iness trying to respect you and think about my lost before setting you off. instead you made up more babble and opinions to debunk nothing and are trying to push me out… I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on everything going forward. since I’m so stupid and your the all knowing.
That’s just pure sophistry & only proves what I’m saying, as your dodging the germane points that I’m making and it doesn’t matter what excuses you make for it. As far as “babbling” goes, that is coming exclusively from your end, as can be seen by this quote of yours & all your other posts, and that’s all you’ve been doing in this thread right from the get-go. You say you be irritated if the Chiefs take a RB in round 2, and my point is nobody cares about your hurt feelings if what I suggested comes to pass. Nobody cares if your bladder & bowels empty right on the spot, if the Chiefs take a RB in round 2. Don’t tell me about your feelings, because I’m not interested, but instead provide some sound reasoning (which you haven’t, as of yet).
As far as taking a RB in round 1 “JUST not this year”, I left out NOTHING, because you never used those words in any of your previous posts & it’s moot, anyways. And that’s because it doesn’t answer my point (question) about why would you have a problem with taking a RB in round 2, when they have 2(two) 2nd round picks, plus all their other picks to go for Defensive players if they want to? That’s just plain silly.
As I pointed out before, if you had just stayed on topic with the discussion about drafting a RB and kept it along the lines of something like “I prefer this RB in this round” instead of stating that you’d be irritated if the Chiefs took a RB in round 2, I would have no problem with that, but instead you come across like I’m supposed to care about your hurt feelings if that happens, therefore it became necessary to point out to you that I DON’T.
You make it sound like it is etched in stone that the Chiefs must go with all Defensive players with all their top draft picks in the 2019 draft. I call BS on that, because that’s really what it is — BS. Three of the 4 top draft picks spent on Defensive players is more than sufficient. Besides, the first step towards fixing this Defense is a new DC, and unless that happens, then drafting Defensive players up the wazzoo isn’t likely to fix anything because they won’t have the coaching that they need.
As for Bryce Love, I would not be surprised if he isn’t there at the end of Round 2, but if he is there, I see no reason not to take him. But let’s say for the moment he does fall and the Chiefs pass on him in round 2, my feelings aren’t going to be hurt, I’d just simply believe that it’s a mistake, because guess who is picking at #66 at the top of round 3. That’s right, the Raiders and I do not doubt that Gruden would consider taking Love at that spot, if he’s available (see Stanford FB Jon Ritchie, taken in round 3 in 1998 in Gruden’s first draft ever in his HC career) & now the Chiefs are stuck with facing a guy twice a year that they could have drafted.
@brdempsey69 346326 wrote:
That question was directed at C4L, as to what HE thinks of this particular player, not you. Again, ripping things out of context. Go find your own answers.
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That was immature of me. You called me a Troll so I was going to start Trolling you specially since you supported my opinion.
I truthfully ignored the rest of your post. I could care less anymore.
That being said, I am done taking that immature path. I just hope you can too!! I will do as I said and try to be civil. I know nothing of Love. I just want the defense fixed before spending higher picks on more offense, but if you can tell me Bryce Love is potentially Leshawn McCoy. I would be dumb to hate the pick. I would be skeptical at first then over joyed with the pick as he proved himself. He is on the small side, but he is the same size as Phillip Lindsay who has had a decent year.
@Seek 346328 wrote:
That was immature of me. You called me a Troll so I was going to start Trolling you specially since you supported my opinion.
I truthfully ignored the rest of your post. I could care less anymore.
That being said, I am done taking that immature path. I just hope you can too!! I will do as I said and try to be civil. I know nothing of Love. I just want the defense fixed before spending higher picks on more offense, but if you can tell me Bryce Love is potentially Leshawn McCoy. I would be dumb to hate the pick. I would be skeptical at first then over joyed with the pick as he proved himself. He is on the small side, but he is the same size as Phillip Lindsay who has had a decent year.
Very well. Let me start by saying that you are not wrong about wanting Defensive players drafted. No, we all want to see that, however with that, we can’t get around the reality that the Chiefs could use an explosive play-maker at RB.
We can’t get around the fact that Hunt’s departure has hurt them, as he really was the perfect RB for Andy Reid’s Offense — hence why Hunt was getting most of the reps, as he was durable and he didn’t fumble, plus was a home-run threat. I do not believe Love could fully replace Hunt in those regards, but he can be used in tandem with another RB, plus also be used in the role that DAT was used in prior to DAT’s season-ending injury. And Love certainly has DAT’s speed, but a little bit better size to where he can be used as a regular RB more frequently than DAT ever was.
Watch the video of Love provided in the link I posted. You’ll clearly see that if you get him the ball in open space — he’s gone. It is not likely that DAT or Hunt will be returning in 2019. Love can’t completely fill the void of both these players, but he can fill the voids to some degree & that to me, provides good value. You do remember Dexter McCluster being taken at pick #36 towards the top of the 2nd round of the 2010 draft, don’t you? In this scenario, we are talking about a potentially better & more dynamic player than McCluster being taken at the end of round 2 (assuming he is available & he does good at the combine & passes all the other tests), with the opportunity to go all-out for Defensive players with all their other draft picks.
Wonder if the Chiefs hurt not having a star RB. But glad they cut Hunt. As he would had been trouble all around. But need to draft someone not just a great RB but a great off the field person.
@JPPT1974 346330 wrote:
Wonder if the Chiefs hurt not having a star RB. But glad they cut Hunt. As he would had been trouble all around. But need to draft someone not just a great RB but a great off the field person.
Please read my previous post & watch the video provided in the original post. Bryce Love is said to be a great character guy. After the Hunt fiasco, the Chiefs most likely won’t be looking at any more players that have any red flags.
Well with Damien Williams being signed to a two-year extension, the whole thing may be rendered academic. Could now very well be nothing but Defensive players taken in the 2019 draft.
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