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  • #970946
    chiefsrule
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    chiefsrule;231865 wrote:
    Seriously???? LMAO. Dont forget Manno too if you just want to name any player we signed. Yes we broke the bank on those signings!!! LOL

    That about equals the salaries we lost in the players that left.

    #970947
    matthewschiefs
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    chiefsrule;231865 wrote:
    Seriously???? LMAO. Dont forget Manno too if you just want to name any player we signed. Yes we broke the bank on those signings!!! LOL

    Who cares if they broke the bank or not. The point is The chiefs Are going out and getting guys. It might not be who YOU want but maybe just maybe Pioli knows what he’s doing by making those signings. How about before you constantly complain about how bad our management is you let them take ONE SNAP in a GAME. Maybe just maybe the guys they have brought in will help more then you think.

    #970950
    chiefsrule
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    matthewschiefs;231871 wrote:
    Who cares if they broke the bank or not. The point is The chiefs Are going out and getting guys. It might not be who YOU want but maybe just maybe Pioli knows what he’s doing by making those signings. How about before you constantly complain about how bad our management is you let them take ONE SNAP in a GAME. Maybe just maybe the guys they have brought in will help more then you think.

    So the guys we signed replaced the salaries of the guys that left. I really don’t think our management is that bad Pioli isn’t as great as everyone makes him out to be but he is ok. I don’t think Pioli can do much though when his hands are tied because Clark holds the money.

    I have a real problem with Clark Hunt not the team haley or pioli.

    #970956
    matthewschiefs
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    chiefsrule;231875 wrote:
    So the guys we signed replaced the salaries of the guys that left. I really don’t think our management is that bad Pioli isn’t as great as everyone makes him out to be but he is ok. I don’t think Pioli can do much though when his hands are tied because Clark holds the money.

    I have a real problem with Clark Hunt not the team haley or pioli.

    Do you really think that if Clark Hunt was going to tie his hands Pioli would have left the good job that he had with the pats? Pioli is doing EXCATLY what he did with the Pats. Not makeing a huge splash in the free agent market building his team through the draft. It won him 3 super bowls there. He CAN do it in KC.

    #970957
    chiefsrule
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    matthewschiefs;231881 wrote:
    Do you really think that if Clark Hunt was going to tie his hands Pioli would have left the good job that he had with the pats? Pioli is doing EXCATLY what he did with the Pats. Not makeing a huge splash in the free agent market building his team through the draft. It won him 3 super bowls there. He CAN do it in KC.

    He signed Rodney Harrison a free agent and traded away a 2nd round pick for C. Dillion.

    #970958
    chiefsrule
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    matthewschiefs;231881 wrote:
    Do you really think that if Clark Hunt was going to tie his hands Pioli would have left the good job that he had with the pats? Pioli is doing EXCATLY what he did with the Pats. Not makeing a huge splash in the free agent market building his team through the draft. It won him 3 super bowls there. He CAN do it in KC.

    I wonder how many years we are going to “BUILD” through the draft and not sign any really good free agents? 10? 15? Much like Carl’s 5 year plan. I have lost track of how many years we have been “rebuilding” now.

    #970965
    58ChiefsFan
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    chiefsrule;231883 wrote:
    I wonder how many years we are going to “BUILD” through the draft and not sign any really good free agents? 10? 15? Much like Carl’s 5 year plan. I have lost track of how many years we have been “rebuilding” now.

    I can 100% guarantee you as long as Pioli is here we will continue to build through the draft and not spend a ton of money on “big” FAs. If were lucky that will be about 20 years.

    NE won the 01 superbowl the same year he was named director of personell or whatever they call it there. They had the core group in place before he was appointed. What Pioli did was continue to keep that team intact with his methods of adding personel as players left for the variety of reasons that create the usual turnover. In doing so he did win two more titles and build a team that won 27 games iirc in a row.

    #970973
    matthewschiefs
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    chiefsrule;231882 wrote:
    He signed Rodney Harrison a free agent and traded away a 2nd round pick for C. Dillion.

    so 2 guys out of a 53 man roster. Yep he sure went out and signed all the big names and spent a ton of money. The Pats won there super bowls with the core group they DRAFTED. They won because of a guy named Tom Brady they won because of a guy like Troy Brown who played on both offense and defense at times. That’s how they won. It’s what Pioli wants to do in KC. Give him that chance.

    This is year 3 of the current rebuild since we started over when Pioli was brought in. And the reason we got into this whole rebuild thing in the first place is we didn’t use the draft like we should have. We signed a bunch of free agents every year to plug in holes. What did that get us. A team that was two old. Yes you can win by spending money. But The pats showed you can win doing what the Chiefs are currently doing. And it’s not just the Pats. THe stellers did it the packers won last year based on useing the draft. Building a team through the draft and not signing a bunch of free agents can ALSO work.

    #970976
    matthewschiefs
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    chiefsrule;231875 wrote:
    So the guys we signed replaced the salaries of the guys that left. I really don’t think our management is that bad Pioli isn’t as great as everyone makes him out to be but he is ok. I don’t think Pioli can do much though when his hands are tied because Clark holds the money.

    I have a real problem with Clark Hunt not the team haley or pioli.

    Clark just agreed to give Hali 60million that makes 2 guys around 60million with Hali and Cassel You call that cheap?

    #970984
    chiefsrule
    Member
    matthewschiefs;231904 wrote:
    Clark just agreed to give Hali 60million that makes 2 guys around 60million with Hali and Cassel You call that cheap?

    I look at the overall team spending. Royals could give one or two guys money and nothing on the rest. I know the Royals have been using draft alone for years and have gotten them nowhere and I don’t want to see that from the Chiefs. I painfully say I am a Royals fan anymore though I know there is no chance for them to ever do anything. They have a lot of great young players but can never do anything. Once a player becomes great they have to get rid of him. I realize in baseball there is no salary cap and teams can buy their way into the world series so the same teams are basically in it year in and year out now.

    This may be year three with Pioli but we have been rebuilding for about half a decade. And if it doesn’t work out in the next couple of years fire Haley use him as a scapegoat and then use the excuse “well now we have to start all over because we have a new coach.” You have to admit adding a couple of good free agents would have helped this team possibly contend this year. That is what I am trying to say. Why not go for a Super Bowl when you have the chance? I still say we will be lucky to get a .500 record this year and 6-10 or 7-9 is a real possibility with our schedule this year. Being bad for so long forced us to overpay for draft picks that never played a game in the NFL. It makes me sick to see us paying Tyson Jackson all that money and he couldn’t even stay in the starting lineup. I know you have to agree with some of what I am saying and will never admit it for whatever reason and continue to argue with me until you are blue in the face.

    #970988
    josh1971
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    chiefsrule;231914 wrote:
    This may be year three with Pioli but we have been rebuilding for about half a decade.

    You do realize the ridiculousness of your math here, right? Piloi has been re-building us for 3 years out of 5?

    Say, that’s not too bad if we’ve only been rebuilding for a total of 5 years, and we’ve already won the division. And even better, we won it only 3 years into Pioli’s efforts.

    Hard to call the Herm/CP era “Rebuilding”. Seemed more like a “Giving up” era.

    JB

    #971000
    chief31
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    matthewschiefs;231871 wrote:
    Who cares if they broke the bank or not. The point is The chiefs Are going out and getting guys. It might not be who YOU want but maybe just maybe Pioli knows what he’s doing by making those signings. How about before you constantly complain about how bad our management is you let them take ONE SNAP in a GAME. Maybe just maybe the guys they have brought in will help more then you think.

    That is not really fair.

    Seeing as how the complaint is not about managment not being good at their job, but that the team is specifically not spending much money to acquire talent.

    And, rather you want to take it as hating on the team, or not, to this point, there is no counter argument.

    We are the cheapest team, or second, in The NFL for a few years now, with no sign of any different strategy showing itself.

    Now, rather or not you can build your team with inexpensive talent is a different argument.

    But who does not believe that you should acquire elite talent when the opportunity is there?

    Talk about “fit’, or ‘chemistry’, or what have you…. But adding a superior talent is a desire of every single coach, and fan in The NFL.

    What may be of increasing concern would be that, if Hunt continues to spend as little as possible, one might have to take focus on possible motives, knowing that that option will be gone in two years.

    Rather we want to believe that we have been at the bottom of the league in salaries, or that it is just coincidence that the “right 53” are the lower paid players is all speculation.

    But to not consider the possibility that there is a bad motive would be naive.

    Knowing that the teams will have to pay 89% of the salay cap each year, after next season, does not bode well for smaller market teams.

    I think it would be quite realistic to think some small market teams may start trying to get in a position to move to a larger city, and there could well be a race to achieve that goal.

    If Clark fealt unable to afford to pay salaries the past few seasons, then he only has two years to try and rectify that situation.

    I can’t say that I think that is what is happening. But I refuse to say that it isn’t.

    I don’t know. But I can certainly see where there are clues that might lead investigation in that direction.

    #971001
    Canada
    Member
    matthewschiefs;231864 wrote:
    Come on WE ARE CHEAP. We are not doing anything. It’s not like we have gone and got guys like Steve Breaston, Kelly Gregg,Brandon Silver,and Le’ron Mcclain. Clark is just saveing his money. They haven’t got who i want so there doing nothing. 😆

    :ninerssuck::chiefs::chiefs::chiefs:

    chiefsrule;231870 wrote:
    That about equals the salaries we lost in the players that left.

    So, to be clear. We upgraded those positions and didn’t have to pay them more money? What terrible management!!

    #971016
    pojote
    Member

    I think if Pioli spends as anyone thinks, anyone can do his job. Maybe Al Davis should be our next GM and spend as wisely as he did, not to mention Faiders are above salary cap.
    Haley and Pioli are picky on their players, not just on sports talent, also on off field attitude. Maybe thats why they don’t spend on players that everybody wants.

    #971031
    matthewschiefs
    Participant
    chiefsrule;231914 wrote:
    I look at the overall team spending. Royals could give one or two guys money and nothing on the rest. I know the Royals have been using draft alone for years and have gotten them nowhere and I don’t want to see that from the Chiefs. I painfully say I am a Royals fan anymore though I know there is no chance for them to ever do anything. They have a lot of great young players but can never do anything. Once a player becomes great they have to get rid of him. I realize in baseball there is no salary cap and teams can buy their way into the world series so the same teams are basically in it year in and year out now.

    This may be year three with Pioli but we have been rebuilding for about half a decade. And if it doesn’t work out in the next couple of years fire Haley use him as a scapegoat and then use the excuse “well now we have to start all over because we have a new coach.” You have to admit adding a couple of good free agents would have helped this team possibly contend this year. That is what I am trying to say. Why not go for a Super Bowl when you have the chance? I still say we will be lucky to get a .500 record this year and 6-10 or 7-9 is a real possibility with our schedule this year. Being bad for so long forced us to overpay for draft picks that never played a game in the NFL. It makes me sick to see us paying Tyson Jackson all that money and he couldn’t even stay in the starting lineup. I know you have to agree with some of what I am saying and will never admit it for whatever reason and continue to argue with me until you are blue in the face.

    No I don’t agree with you.
    Why?
    Because since Pioli has been here this team has done NOTHING but improve. This team went from 2-14 to a playoff team in 2 years. Weather they are spending money or not is not something I really care about it’s what the win loss record is and so far Pioli has done nothing but improve it. Maybe it was the GM before that wasn’t doing the job and not Clark Hunt holding back in the checkbook.

    chief31;231932 wrote:
    That is not really fair.

    Seeing as how the complaint is not about managment not being good at their job, but that the team is specifically not spending much money to acquire talent.

    And, rather you want to take it as hating on the team, or not, to this point, there is no counter argument.

    We are the cheapest team, or second, in The NFL for a few years now, with no sign of any different strategy showing itself.

    Now, rather or not you can build your team with inexpensive talent is a different argument.

    But who does not believe that you should acquire elite talent when the opportunity is there?

    Talk about “fit’, or ‘chemistry’, or what have you…. But adding a superior talent is a desire of every single coach, and fan in The NFL.

    What may be of increasing concern would be that, if Hunt continues to spend as little as possible, one might have to take focus on possible motives, knowing that that option will be gone in two years.

    Rather we want to believe that we have been at the bottom of the league in salaries, or that it is just coincidence that the “right 53” are the lower paid players is all speculation.

    But to not consider the possibility that there is a bad motive would be naive.

    Knowing that the teams will have to pay 89% of the salay cap each year, after next season, does not bode well for smaller market teams.

    I think it would be quite realistic to think some small market teams may start trying to get in a position to move to a larger city, and there could well be a race to achieve that goal.

    If Clark fealt unable to afford to pay salaries the past few seasons, then he only has two years to try and rectify that situation.

    I can’t say that I think that is what is happening. But I refuse to say that it isn’t.

    I don’t know. But I can certainly see where there are clues that might lead investigation in that direction.

    And who judges who is superior talent? Maybe the management feels that they have got that superior talent to what they had before. Just because it might not be who you want doesn’t mean it’s not a guy who’s going to improve this team. In the last two years this team has done NOTHING but get better doing what they are doing this offseason. Why not give this team a chance before you complain.

    My whole argument isn’t that money can’t improve a team. It’s that it’s not the ONLY way to improve a team. And before you talk about how an owner being cheap is hurting the team lets see them take ONE snap on the football field in an NFL game to see what the guys that they have brought in can do. What’s so wrong with that?

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