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Big Daddy Tek;138503 wrote:JM’s post wasn’t because he was mad that the Chiefs got praise, he was mad that Page was rated higher than any of our other DB’s and Pollard didnt make the list.
I am sure he will voice that for himself Big Daddy. No need to stick up for him. I aint out to kill our own , just think he is a bit hard on our players and since they don’t come here to voice their opinions I figured I would.
Big Daddy Tek;138502 wrote:Not even close to the worst starting FS in the league. I could argue that at times he has been brilliant. You could come right back and tell me about blown coverages like when he bit on play action for a go ahead Charger touchdown last year. All in all, he’s inconsistent, but I do like his play in the Red Zone, usually. I know you have never been a Page fan JM, but lets face it, a FS is the center fielder, they dont play the run or blitz near as much as the strong safety and we have not had the front seven to allow any of our DB’s to be outstanding, ESPECIALLY a FS. The coaches seem to love Page. Bob Gretz said that Mike Brown would have took Pollard’s spot, not Page’s. Do I agree with that? NO. BUT, I think he’s better than you do. As far as rankings go, Page makes picks and that alone can get you some cred. He has 10 in 3 years and he’s only 24 years old. Alot of upside JM, you cant deny that. ONE MORE THING… He has closed out 3 Choakland Gaider games with picks, you know that counts for somethin J!Thanks for adding the stats and backing up my statement regarding the coaches liking the man Page. When you add the fact we may have a better front seven, his play might get a chance to improve which is one of the reasons why I BELIEVE that ESPN has him ranked where they did.
All these arguments are fine and IMO we have a group of talented DB’s that have performed well in a cover too system with no pass rush.
Now the question is, ARE THEY BIG ENOUGH AND FAST ENOUGH to cover bigger faster WR’s in a 3-4 system that requires them to play one on one most of the time.
All of you realize playing zone is easier than playing man to man.
Once we get a pass rush and our DBs dont have to worry bout doing the front 7s job.
I think Page will be awesome.
[ame=”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKuyPnqlDH4″%5DYouTube – Jarrad Page Big Hit[/ame]
And be sure to watch this.
NFL Videos: WK 5 Can’t-Miss Play: Page INT
If you get a chance somehow to catch Jarrad Pages LiveWire its def. worth a watch. the guy really knows how to talk smack and get inside players heads.
Sn@keIze;138518 wrote:If you get a chance somehow to catch Jarrad Pages LiveWire its def. worth a watch. the guy really knows how to talk smack and get inside players heads.Got it!
Check this out guys.
Check out his coverage on Antonio Gates. Hes got some awesome soundbytes in here too.
He puts a good lick on I want to say Sproles too in this livewire clip.
go ahead and fast foward past the first minute if you want to get right to Page
KansasCityChris;138488 wrote:Apparently the coaches don’t agree with your assessment of his play or he wouldn’t be doing the job. He is being paid to do it, this isn’t High School Prep or college Ball .They will. Constant missied tackles should not and will not be tolerated any longer. Its just basic fundamental football. I don’t care what the front 7 is doing. You got to make the tackle.
KansasCityChris;138487 wrote:Do you ever appreciate when the Chiefs get praise at any position?Only when that praise is deserved. Page is the fifth best DB on his own team (behind Carr, Leggett, Pollard, and Flowers).
The Chiefs are a young team, and Page is a young player. He could improve greatly with a real coach and a real front-7. But I don’t think so. He has only one skill as far as I can see – he’s a ballhawk. He does manage to intercept a lot of balls at opportune times. That isn’t enough to be a good FS, and it certainly isn’t enough to be a good 3-4 FS. He’s only starting in 2009 because there wasn’t anyone better in FA and we couldn’t spare a draft pick to pick someone better. But he’ll be a weak spot in this defense until he is replaced.
EDIT: What Bike and Big Daddy Tek wrote.
pbatrucker;138517 wrote:All these arguments are fine and IMO we have a group of talented DB’s that have performed well in a cover too system with no pass rush.
Now the question is, ARE THEY BIG ENOUGH AND FAST ENOUGH to cover bigger faster WR’s in a 3-4 system that requires them to play one on one most of the time.
All of you realize playing zone is easier than playing man to man.
At CB, we drafted Washington in the 4th for a reason. As much as I like Flowers, he may not be suited to a lot of one-on-one coverage due to his size and speed. I think Carr and Leggett will be OK. They are both pretty big and pretty fast.
Pollard has the size, the speed, and the desire to hit people. He just needs to improve in his coverage and he’ll be fine.
As to Page, please see my previous posts. He has the measurables. I just don’t think he has the skills or heart.
Big Daddy Tek;138502 wrote:Not even close to the worst starting FS in the league. I could argue that at times he has been brilliant. You could come right back and tell me about blown coverages like when he bit on play action for a go ahead Charger touchdown last year. All in all, he’s inconsistent, but I do like his play in the Red Zone, usually. I know you have never been a Page fan JM, but lets face it, a FS is the center fielder, they dont play the run or blitz near as much as the strong safety and we have not had the front seven to allow any of our DB’s to be outstanding, ESPECIALLY a FS. The coaches seem to love Page. Bob Gretz said that Mike Brown would have took Pollard’s spot, not Page’s. Do I agree with that? NO. BUT, I think he’s better than you do. As far as rankings go, Page makes picks and that alone can get you some cred. He has 10 in 3 years and he’s only 24 years old. Alot of upside JM, you cant deny that. ONE MORE THING… He has closed out 3 Choakland Gaider games with picks, you know that counts for somethin J!I’ll admit that I’ve always been impressed with Page’s ballhawk skills. He will always get INTs. And you may be right. It could just be that he’s had miserable front-sevens and he will improve with age. But he just seems to miss so many tackles and get thrown on so many times a game. Except for his INTs, I haven’t seen him as anything but a liability. And you have to admit, he misses and awful lot of tackles.
jmlamerson;138535 wrote:I’ll admit that I’ve always been impressed with Page’s ballhawk skills. He will always get INTs. And you may be right. It could just be that he’s had miserable front-sevens and he will improve with age. But he just seems to miss so many tackles and get thrown on so many times a game. Except for his INTs, I haven’t seen him as anything but a liability. And you have to admit, he misses and awful lot of tackles.True, for some reason he has always refused to wrap up.
Big Daddy Tek;138444 wrote:Ranking the defensive backs in the AFC West
June 19, 2009 11:00 AMPosted by ESPN.com’s Bill Williamson
Our periodic AFC West position rankings continue with the best defensive backs in the AFC West, in my opinion:1. Nnamdi Asomugha, Oakland: Nnamdi has become, I believe, the best cornerback in the NFL. He is the definition of a shut-down cornerback.
2. Champ Bailey, Denver: Bailey is going to turn 31 Monday, and he is coming off an injury-filled season. Still, he is brilliant. This is a first-ballot Hall of Famer who is still a top player.
3. Quentin Jammer, San Diego: There is a pretty big drop off from No. 2 to No. 3, but Jammer is a good player. He had a nice season in 2008.
4. Antonio Cromartie, San Diego: Cromartie probably won’t be No. 4 on this list next year. He’ll either bounce back from a poor 2008 or he’ll continue to slip. Yet, the team thinks he will improve because he played with a hip injury nearly all of last season.
5. Brian Dawkins, Denver: Dawkins may be much lower on this list next year if his play drops at the age of 35. But he still brings plenty of panache to Denver.
6. Eric Weddle, San Diego: Weddle is a fine player, who made a ton of tackles for the Chargers last season. Expect continued improvement.
7. Antoine Cason, San Diego: If Cromartie slips, Cason can take his job. The sky is the limit for this second-year player.
8. Jarrad Page, Kansas City: Page is a solid safety, who has play-making ability.
9. Brandon Flowers, Kansas City: Flowers made nice strides as a rookie last season. He has a chance to be a fine player.
10. Andre Goodman, Denver: Denver signed Goodman as a free agent this offseason. He is a solid pro.
11. Chris Johnson, Oakland: Johnson took over for the cut DeAngelo Hall in the middle of the season and was much better than the high-priced Hall.
12. Brandon Carr, Kansas City: Like Flowers, Carr looked promising as a rookie cornerback last season. He has nice potential.
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Wow. Surprised Pollard is not on here and even more surprised that Page is ranked higher than Flowers and Carr. Watch out for Leggett… See Ya!!
Same here.:bananen_smilies046:
Bike;138530 wrote:Only when praise is do – if I may interject.Praise is an opinion in my opinion. ESPN ranked him where they ranked him and I felt ok with it but JM seemed to feel differently. Bottom line is based on a matter of opinion, that means you can be right , I can be right and so can JM as we all have our own opinion. However, just like always I am willing to bet that someone will say I am wrong because that is their opinion, we are all entitled to our own opinion without having someone say, YOUR WRONG or what ever . Instead of saying , YOUR WRONG why not say , thats your opinion? It makes more sense than a inmature bold faced YOUR WRONG statement LOL.
KansasCityChris;138686 wrote:Praise is an opinion in my opinion. ESPN ranked him where they ranked him and I felt ok with it but JM seemed to feel differently. Bottom line is based on a matter of opinion, that means you can be right , I can be right and so can JM as we all have our own opinion. However, just like always I am willing to bet that someone will say I am wrong because that is their opinion, we are all entitled to our own opinion without having someone say, YOUR WRONG or what ever . Instead of saying , YOUR WRONG why not say , thats your opinion? It makes more sense than a inmature bold faced YOUR WRONG statement LOL.[/quote]I think I have said that before…..
QUOTE STEALER!!!! LMAO!!
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