No I wouldn’t really. Outside his first 2 playoff years he at least won 1 game in every playoff after. That’s pretty good. Consider how many teams like us have no won a single playoff game in years.

3 of his playoff loses are to The Pats. To of those came after the pats started there superbowl winning ways. Did Cowher ever have a qb anywere near as good as Tom Brady? I don’t think he did. Kordel Stewart,Tommy Madex? That helped Belicheck beat him.

I’m sorry how many divison Championship games has Andy Reid made. Sure he only won one of those games but only 4 teams a year get to that point. And he has been one of those 4 teams what 5 times. That’s nothing to be ashamed of. Many coaches would dream of getting that far. Turrner i agree is not a good coach. He has had the benifit of a good team that he walked into. Players help make coaches look much better then what they are sometimes.

So you don’t think that a coach who consitantly gets his teams to the playoffs and consitantly wins at least one game in the playoffs is a good coach? I think your defintion of what it takes to be a good coach is far to high. But what would one of your post be without me disagreeing LOL

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First you send me emails all new year’s eve asking me to come back here. Next, you’re objecting to every post you can find. Make up your mind.

Oh, is Cowher coach of the Chiefs? I’m beginning to think you’re just spoiling for a fight.

I’ve been out of the country since late August. I teach abroad every fall (and sometimes in Spring). If that disturbs you in some way, call someone who cares.

You might want to lern how to spell “Belichick.” You look like you don’t know what you’re talking about whe you consistently spell it wrong.

That whooshing sound is things going over your head. Neither Belichick nor Cowher is a terrific reglar season coach. They aren’t terrible ones either. They’re just good ones. What separates Belichick from Cowher is the fact that Belichick doesn’t manage to fail in the postseason (most years, tonight’s game was rough).

Yeah, I’ll hold my breath.

It’s far from “good” too.

I figured someone like you might love that movie.

It was. It wasn’t funny. Much like the rest of that movie. What’s your point?

You know as much about funny as you do about football.

Yes, I know. I showed you the stats.

Um, the perception of Cowher pre-2005 is the issue is what we’ve been discussing. Minus 2004, Cowher was 4-4.

Is it really that hard for you to look up Cowher’s post-season stats? Apparently it is.

No, you don’t.

When did I do that? I did pre-season. So did you. Are you now going to pretend you didn’t? I might just have to start calling you a fair weather fan.

But only because it’d be accurate.

Oh, the rumors about the Steelers replacing Cowher pre-2005 all came from me. I didn’t realize I was that important.

The Hunts obviously believed Herm Edwards was a very good HC. Were they right?

The guys who employed King Carl for decades might disagree.

I’ve been called many things. But never intellectual. I did learn the term “transference.” Look it up and learn from it.

Every HC has some positives Otherwise they wouldn’t be hired. Even Herm had some positives (he knew his DBs, **** him).

That’s certainly an opinion that is yours. Unfortunately, it’s a bad one.

Pointing out that *I* know what I’m talking about and “others” don’t isn’t “big boy talk.” When you are a “big boy” you’ll know the difference.

Great. What are you talking about this time?

Andy Reid/Marty Schottenheimer sorts of dominance. Which is more impotence than dominance.

Tell Marty that.

Aww, you finally did some homework.

One, we’re not flipping coins. There isn’t a 10% chance of winning a SB. You might want to discover the world of probability, lines, spreads, and odds. Or, you know, talent.

Two, when you say “their best teams” are you just erasing the division winner, or are you just subtracting one particular team from each division? Because, believe it or not, there’s a difference between the Redskins having a down year and a generation of Browns/Bengals/Jags sorts of futility.

Three, yes, a coach shouldn’t be employed for sixteen years without a SB trip. Who disagrees with this?

Fourth, the question isn’t whether Cowher had a good 2005. The question is whether Cowher would be considered anything by average if it weren’t for his 2005 run.

Fifth, if Andy Reid or Borv Turner pulls together a SB in 2011, would you consider their tenures a decade of dominance? Quit ducking the question.

I may back-peddle one day. But it won’t be from the likes of you.

Simple mathematics. No coin toss. No bookies. Just like you asked for.

Look… I am thrilled to have you back here. You bring terrific discussion.

I simply expect a man to recognize, and admit, a mistake. I had to do it with so many of The Chiefs’ players that I underestimated.

And I apologize for getting into the mud-slinging with ya.

But, when you are so quick to make comments like “Do you want some cheese with that whine?”, you can expect some backlash.

Maybe my saying “This is pure horses***” didn’t come off as jovial as it was intended, and I apologize for that too.

As for the regular season numbers, here is The Steelers’ division,(North/Central) from ’97 to ’06, minus the division leader, instead of just subtracting The Steelers.

261-346-1, 42.9%

That is still 0.5% above the average for all division (minus division winners) for the past nine seasons. Which was 42.4%.

Even during the first five seasons, where I did not contest that the division was sub-par, the rest of the division still managed 109-163, 40.1%. Still not quite pathetic.

I just think that, much like Berry, Edwards, and Cassel, you misjudged Cowher, and continued to hold a bias, instead of just biting the bullet, and admitting to the misjudgment.

I’ll leave it at that. You can have the last word.

Ok then. I’ll take it.

All you have done here is to spout off nonsense, and pass it off as fact. Then, when the facts were presented, and you were proven wrong, You just decided to delve deeper into the mud-slinging and hope that you had yelled above the fact that you were flat-out wrong.

I fully expected you to come back here and admit that The Chiefs had proven you wrong. Which they did.

But that is behavior for respectable, intelligent people. You wouldn’t want to be associated with any of that kind of behavior, would you?

Why? That is embarrassing.

You prefer to stick to your poor mistakes and just carry on and tell everyone how right you were, while showing everyone how completely wrong you were.

Now let’s deal with some of the nonsense that I had intended to let you get away with…

Aww. You mean that the world-wide web doesn’t reach you? How is it that you were always lurking here?

Perhaps you are just full of it. You certainly have proven that capability.

Whoa, Fella! I sent you one PM on this site, because I had seen you lurking all season long. And it wasn’t even on that day. I just wanted to invite you back, to take your lumps for your terrible misjudgment of the team, and to enjoy a great turnaround by The Chiefs.

But it seems like you lack something that men have, which compels them to swallowing their pride when they realize an error.

What was I thinking?

It’s “learn“. “Learn how to spell…”

But, since civilized people learn from their mistakes, I wouldn’t expect you to have learned how to spell. Just how to wet yourself in a tantrum, on a public forum.

Of course. The guy who coached his team to the best regular season record of all time, and has not managed a record less than the best in his division for ten straight seasons, certainly wouldn’t qualify as a great regular season HC.

You are that important to you.

And, seeing as how you are the only one who knows of those rumors, common sense (No time to walk you through the meaning, but someone should.) would dictate that you were the one starting those rumors, and spreading them to yourself.

Yeah.
I don’t remember his fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, twelfth, thirteenth, fourteenth, nor fifteenth seasons as The Chiefs HC.

How did he do?

Oh. He didn’t get brought back past a third season? That’s my point. Were you conceding then?

It was obvious, the whole way, that you had no clue what was going on.

I do agree. But does it matter that Cowher made a trip to The Super Bowl in his fourth season?

Nah. That’s a fact. And you have proven that facts have nothing to do with anything that you say.

Do you know what the meaning of ‘average’ is? Or do you need to speak to your bookie for some odds, lines and spreads, now the actual facts have gone against you?

The average tenure of an NFL coach is 4.3 years. Executives beat NFL coaches in longevity — barely | Silicon Valley / San Jose Business Journal

Pretty difficult to have only 4.3 years a an average HC, if you go to the playoffs for all four of them, and make it to a Super Bowl.

That is far beyond average.

Didn’t Cowher make it to two Super Bowls?

Oh damn. My bad. I used a fact again. Sorry. I just can’t get my head so far up my anus to see things as you do, without the facts.

What did you say of him as a SS?

Same old, same old. Inability to acknowledge your own errors.

As for Cassel? I just threw a couple of names out there. Didn’t want to bother wasting all night searching for the specifics.

Sorry. I hoped that you would be honest enough to volunteer a couple of names, as it is extremely well-known, that you were as down on this team as anyone, prior to this season.

My favorite though…

Whoa!!!!

That is some pretty damning evidence!!!!

Look at those hard facts, would ya?

Oh. Wait. Facts? A proven point? That can’t possibly be you. You deal in bulls*** and fit-throwing, not facts and reality.

Aha. That one wasn’t you at all. That was me, destroying your failed logic.

Get used to it.

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