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Bike;126133 wrote:Unions protect American workers.
Think before you post.They protect nothing but themselves. 500,000 construction workers are not working right now and these greedy morons want to go on strike. Look, if safety is an issue or something like that, go for it, strike and complain, but if all they want is a pay raise, then the union should be ashamed of themselves. Get an agreement done and get back to work!
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Hayvern;126434 wrote:They protect nothing but themselves. 500,000 construction workers are not working right now and these greedy morons want to go on strike. Look, if safety is an issue or something like that, go for it, strike and complain, but if all they want is a pay raise, then the union should be ashamed of themselves. Get an agreement done and get back to work!:mob:
First person to just come out and say it!:sign0098:
Hayvern;126434 wrote:They protect nothing but themselves. 500,000 construction workers are not working right now and these greedy morons want to go on strike. Look, if safety is an issue or something like that, go for it, strike and complain, but if all they want is a pay raise, then the union should be ashamed of themselves. Get an agreement done and get back to work!:mob:
If not for the Union I would be hauling 20,000 tons of coal across Kansas at minimum wage and half the benefits I recieve now. The unions actually protect workers from greedy – profit hungry ceo’s that want to ship every profit nickel they make to overseas bank accounts. I know there are inherit problems with union labor, just as there are with non-union.
Bad subject to talk about here. No more.Bike;126588 wrote:If not for the Union I would be hauling 20,000 tons of coal across Kansas at minimum wage and half the benefits I recieve now. The unions actually protect workers from greedy – profit hungry ceo’s that want to ship every profit nickel they make to overseas bank accounts. I know there are inherit problems with union labor, just as there are with non-union.
Bad subject to talk about here. No more.Sorry Bike, from what I have seen from you, I have a lot of respect for you, so please do not take this personally, but you are dead wrong here.
I don’t get this whole CEOs are greedy nonsense. Seriously, these are the guys who work harder than anyone else they employ. It is their butts on the lines everyday to make sure that their employees have a job. Why the hate?
CEOs pay what the market will bear, union labor drives up the market to a point where it makes it hard for CEOs to continue to do business when they have to compete on the world market. Take the automobile business, it costs GM $75 per hour in labor costs to build a car, Toyota can do the same thing for $45. Why? It isn’t because the auto worker today is making $75 per hour, it is because of how long GM has been a union shop. GM has to pay all those pensions that previous greedy labor strikes have imposed on them. Toyota is too new to have these historical payments.
As for what you would be paid if you were not in the union. You would be paid what the market provides. If you are a trucker, a business where there is a lot of demand, then you would never be working for minimum wage, but you likely would not be paid what you are making now. The market for union truckers is artificially inflated by the union itself. I was a heavy equipment operator for over 9 years. I dealt with this stuff first hand on a daily basis. I was not a union operator, but there were times when I worked on projects that paid union scale. I admit, the money is nice, but it is artificial since almost every operator, including those that were in the union would have worked for half of what the union was paying them.
Since the union has a lock on all Government work, it costs people a lot more money than it should to get anything done, that is why California cannot build new roads or schools. The cost of labor to build those things are too great.
I like you Bike, but this has to be said, especially in our current economic crisis. It’s like I told the union guy that was picketing my place of work in 1997. When he told me “Just think about the money you would be making if you were in the union!”
I told him, “If I were in the union right now, I would be picketing some poor dude who is just trying to put food on the table for his kids!”
Well we will have to disagree here. I believe the worker should get a larger part of a companys’ profit. You believe the CEOs’ should get it. As a Christian Conservative I constantly have to defend my values to my union brothers. You say the market will decide our salary, I say CEO’s decide our salary. Corporate greed is the reason this country is reeling today. These people could care a less about you or your family. And these CEO’s deserve what they can take from you? Are we becoming a 3rd world country where we are currently shipping all our labor?
Wrong subject. Wrong forum. I’m done.Bike, I am a christian conservative, and i am a realist and deal with realities and unions cannot be sustained.
CEOS are the ppl that feed the poor, help the sick, etc.
it isnt government. government tries to make it look like this cause instead of the ceos directly giving the money to help the poor, the goverment takes that money then takes a small portion of it and “helps the poor” and takes credit for what the CEO did.
As a christian, you should have the ability to decifer truth from a lie. If you think unions are just, then i question your ability to decifer truth. Unions are highly unjust.
Unions and government (the democratic side) are in each others pockets. Unions are nothing more than a political scheme to give power to the government and take it away from the free market….and the free market is responsible for all the successess of this country…but are demonized by the very ppl who should be thanking them EVERY DAY!!!
oh yeah, by the way there isnt such thing as a conservative that is for unions. That is an oxymoron.
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