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Seek;228848 wrote:If someone wanted to kill you with a joint, they could find a way and people get murdered all the time over drugs or under the influence of drugs..
The point of the post, was to point out, that gun or no gun, the intent of the person using it, will find a way to kill. Also, I previously posted, A person who has a knife will 9 times out 10 kills a person with a gun, who is still holstered.
take away guns, and people will start using Knives, Take away Knives they will use Bow and Arrows, Swords, baseball bats, their own hands… etc….
THIS!!!!
Comparing the dangers of guns to the dangers of weed is ridiculous. With that logic you could but a cheeseburger laced with arsenic so now cheeseburgers might as well be a loaded gun. Fact is, guns are allowed in the US and the murder rate there is much higher than most other countries. Coincidence? I dont think so.
Canada;228930 wrote:Really?My response was more of a sarcastic response but Yes, Someone could lace the Pot with a chemical that could kill you. I know it is a far strech, but it is possible. Fact of the matter if someone wanted to, they would find a way. The point though was the gun itself does not kill people but the person using it does. Guns are just the easiest and more preferred way of doing it. Take the gun away and someone will find a substitute.
A more likely result would be a car accident under the influence. Specially if someone was driving on snow….Maybe in a hurry to get to the airport, and the influenced person was doing 5 on the major interstate.
Canada;228994 wrote:Comparing the dangers of guns to the dangers of weed is ridiculous. With that logic you could but a cheeseburger laced with arsenic so now cheeseburgers might as well be a loaded gun. Fact is, guns are allowed in the US and the murder rate there is much higher than most other countries. Coincidence? I dont think so.It is ridiculous your right. However, if you want to look at the murder rate in the US and Canada, the cause is so much more than just owning the gun. You could look into how our country was developed into social classes. Then compare murder rates withing regions within the US. You go out into the Country and away from the big cities, everyone owns a gun and just like Canada they leave their house wide open with no fear of robbers, they also expect everyone to wave at each other when they pass each other on the road and are generally pleasant to everyone.
So comparing murder in the Us to the fact of owning gusn, is king of like saying the higher Suicide rate of Females in Canada compared to US is directly related to the males in Canada. Now I say that jokingly of course, because there really isn’t that big of a difference between Canada and the US, but Japanese women, compared to most of the world. Wow.
One reason many murders would not take place without guns is because of all the added effort that would go into it.
Without a gun, premeditation is going to be far more important.
For example…. A man drove up to the local DQ store and shot his ex-wife during prime business hours.
Now, without the gun, there is certainly a chance that he just plans deeper and accomplishes the task.
However, with the extra time it takes to plan and execute the crime, that leaves that much more time for an emotionally stressed individual to cool off, think it over, and make a better choice.
Most people choosing to kill another are scared out of their minds of doing it, or do it before having the opportunity to put any thought into it.
A gun is the quickest manor of killing available to an individual. Take that away, slow down the process, and you give people more time to change their minds.
With that said…..
I am in favor of a man’s right to arms.
I realize that it comes with a far higher risk, and will ultimately result in more tragedies, even raising the chances that one of those tragedies would effect me.
But I am behind individual liberties in social matters like this.
Seek;228996 wrote:It is ridiculous your right. However, if you want to look at the murder rate in the US and Canada, the cause is so much more than just owning the gun. You could look into how our country was developed into social classes. Then compare murder rates withing regions within the US. You go out into the Country and away from the big cities, everyone owns a gun and just like Canada they leave their house wide open with no fear of robbers, they also expect everyone to wave at each other when they pass each other on the road and are generally pleasant to everyone.So comparing murder in the Us to the fact of owning guns, is king of like saying the higher Suicide rate of Females in Canada compared to US is directly related to the males in Canada. Now I say that jokingly of course, because there really isn’t that big of a difference between Canada and the US, but Japanese women, compared to most of the world. Wow.
So you honestly dont think that the face that plays a part in it? I think that guns are readily available plays a huge role in the fact that there is a higher murder rate. Im not saying it is the only reason. Obviously there are a lot of factors that are involved. But like you said, the US and Canada share a lot of those same classes and values. The biggest differences I see in Canada v US is Healthcare, Military and Guns. So if you think that everyone having guns does not contribute (to some degree, not solely) to the murder rate, I think you are ignoring a pretty glaring fact.
This being said, I have no problem with Americans carrying guns…I live in Canada. But I have never had any trouble like that when I am in the states. I understand that its the individuals who carry them that make them dangerous, unfortunately it seems that for every responsible gun owner, you could just as easily have an irresponsible gun owner. I agree, dont give up your rights, but I would argue that procuring and registering one should be more difficult and gun related crimes should have tougher penalties.
Canada;229013 wrote:So you honestly dont think that the face that plays a part in it? I think that guns are readily available plays a huge role in the fact that there is a higher murder rate. Im not saying it is the only reason. Obviously there are a lot of factors that are involved. But like you said, the US and Canada share a lot of those same classes and values. The biggest differences I see in Canada v US is Healthcare, Military and Guns. So if you think that everyone having guns does not contribute (to some degree, not solely) to the murder rate, I think you are ignoring a pretty glaring fact.This being said, I have no problem with Americans carrying guns…I live in Canada. But I have never had any trouble like that when I am in the states. I understand that its the individuals who carry them that make them dangerous, unfortunately it seems that for every responsible gun owner, you could just as easily have an irresponsible gun owner. I agree, dont give up your rights, but I would argue that procuring and registering one should be more difficult and gun related crimes should have tougher penalties.
Canada, I agree with you 100%. Specialy about the regulations and penalties. I just know, that gun or no gun. If someone was in my house intending to cause harm on my family. I am trained well enough to do my best to defend my family better with a gun and my underwear than I am with just my underwear. Most gun owners feel that way.
Seek;229147 wrote:Canada, I agree with you 100%. Specialy about the regulations and penalties. I just know, that gun or no gun. If someone was in my house intending to cause harm on my family. I am trained well enough to do my best to defend my family better with a gun and my underwear than I am with just my underwear. Most gun owners feel that way.Ya know…..
A nice dog can be just as effective, if not more, in home defense.
A dog let’s intruders know immediately that they have trouble. Often before a home invasion even occurs.
Prevention at it’s finest.
And, in my underwear, my two dogs and I are equally as formidable as some guy wiping eye boogers away while disengaging the safety on a handgun, in the dark.
And we are far less likely to actually kill the intruder, who could be a friend that thought he was welcome. (But we will still have the option.
)I own a gun. But it is not a viable option for home defense because all the safety features I have to use for it, because I have kids in the house.
By the time I have gotten my gun case unlock, my ammo case unlocked, gun loaded, armed and ready…. the dogs will have the job all finished up, with no deaths.
chief31;229197 wrote:Ya know…..A nice dog can be just as effective, if not more, in home defense.
A dog let’s intruders know immediately that they have trouble. Often before a home invasion even occurs.
Prevention at it’s finest.
And, in my underwear, my two dogs and I are equally as formidable as some guy wiping eye boogers away while disengaging the safety on a handgun, in the dark.
And we are far less likely to actually kill the intruder, who could be a friend that thought he was welcome. (But we will still have the option.
)I own a gun. But it is not a viable option for home defense because all the safety features I have to use for it, because I have kids in the house.
By the time I have gotten my gun case unlock, my ammo case unlocked, gun loaded, armed and ready…. the dogs will have the job all finished up, with no deaths.
Not all people are dog lovers. I am but my dogs are my first alert and alert only. They are boston terriers so they are small and will cause no harm to any criminal because they are loving in nature to humans. They may rack a guy jumping up on him for attention but that would be it. If I got bigger dogs, we would have to sleep on the floor, because those little dogs take up enough room already.
My gun is locked up as well with Ammo located in a different spot for the kids as well, but if the intruder still makes his way to me, by the times I have it loaded, they have it coming to them.
Seek;229243 wrote:Not all people are dog lovers. I am but my dogs are my first alert and alert only. They are boston terriers so they are small and will cause no harm to any criminal because they are loving in nature to humans. They may rack a guy jumping up on him for attention but that would be it. If I got bigger dogs, we would have to sleep on the floor, because those little dogs take up enough room already.My gun is locked up as well with Ammo located in a different spot for the kids as well, but if the intruder still makes his way to me, by the times I have it loaded, they have it coming to them.
Well dogs are not the end-all, be-all answer. But I find it to be ten times as effective an option, and ten times as safe on top of that.
Even small dogs, if they are protective of the home, can cancel a majority of attempts to intrude. And, slow down and preoccupy a threat long enough to give you a serious advantage with a lesser weapon. (Ball bat, or something.)
I just think that a firearm, when you have children, is a poor option for home protection.
And the odds of some kind of an accident are vastly higher.
But I do support one’s right to defend their home, firearms, or not.
The only practical uses I have for a firearm are for hunting, and for apocolypse times. 😆
chief31;229246 wrote:Well dogs are not the end-all, be-all answer. But I find it to be ten times as effective an option, and ten times as safe on top of that.Even small dogs, if they are protective of the home, can cancel a majority of attempts to intrude. And, slow down and preoccupy a threat long enough to give you a serious advantage with a lesser weapon. (Ball bat, or something.)
I just think that a firearm, when you have children, is a poor option for home protection.
And the odds of some kind of an accident are vastly higher.
But I do support one’s right to defend their home, firearms, or not.
The only practical uses I have for a firearm are for hunting, and for apocolypse times. 😆
I used to feel that way, until I started training for competitions with a lot of police officers, and swat guys. I still will not carry mine on me concealed but there was times I wished I was.
I agree guns are a big risk to have with small children around. I know nothing is guaranteed, but I follow the gun safety recommendations, since occasionally I have grandkids visit. My grandson & step-grandson are pre-teens now…and have went through hunter safety classes, since they hunt with their dads. When my biological grandson was little, I made sure my gun, magazine, and ammunition were not hidden in the same places when he would visit, same with my grand-daughter, who is now 7.
As with Seek…I would feel more comfortable if I always had my gun with me, especially traveling to unfamiliar places. I’m a woman living alone in metro Kansas City, and my gun brings me a great sense of security, just as it did when I lived in the country and spent much time alone, isolated 30 miles from the nearest small town with law enforcement response.
I do and will always have dogs in my life, but truth be told, my dogs are big babies, loveable to all people, including strangers. Every dog I’ve ever had in life loved people, was over friendly.
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