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Well even at the end of last eyar I alwasy told people what the Chiefs do good not bad so I am just very optimistic about the greatest team in the world. The thing is it is not just FANS thinking the chiefs are going to do good. Even the analyst think the Chiefs could be a cinderella team and it’s not just one guy thinking that. The Patriots was built with people that noone else wanted and that’s the approach Pioli is taking. Noone is expecting us to win the superbowl next year but we go 8-8 that is a huge leap in the right direction. Is there some free agents I think we should go after, Yeah I think we should be calling orlando paces agent and see about bringing in some exp on our oline and why not Holt to gives us a good possession WR. I mean they are older guys but what you need on a young team is leadership and that’s what Vrabel and Cassell bring, Yes Cassell brings leadership he was QB of the patriots last year with memebers liek Moss and Welker and he earned thier trust if he can do that then there is somethign special about this guy. Im just saying Mcdaniels was willing to guive up Cutler who is a pro bowler so he must know somethign about Cassell. Im just stoked :yahoo:
bigpoppachief;125006 wrote:Well even at the end of last eyar I alwasy told people what the Chiefs do good not bad so I am just very optimistic about the greatest team in the world. The thing is it is not just FANS thinking the chiefs are going to do good. Even the analyst think the Chiefs could be a cinderella team and it’s not just one guy thinking that. The Patriots was built with people that noone else wanted and that’s the approach Pioli is taking. Noone is expecting us to win the superbowl next year but we go 8-8 that is a huge leap in the right direction. Is there some free agents I think we should go after, Yeah I think we should be calling orlando paces agent and see about bringing in some exp on our oline and why not Holt to gives us a good possession WR. I mean they are older guys but what you need on a young team is leadership and that’s what Vrabel and Cassell bring, Yes Cassell brings leadership he was QB of the patriots last year with memebers liek Moss and Welker and he earned thier trust if he can do that then there is somethign special about this guy. Im just saying Mcdaniels was willing to guive up Cutler who is a pro bowler so he must know somethign about Cassell. Im just stoked :yahoo:The last team that went from worst(in their division) to superbowl, was the “other” team from Missouri. That was ’99 -this is ’09. hey, anything is possible!
prough91;124841 wrote:I’ll say it. I’m not scared.I haven’t been overwhelmed with our off season acquisitions.
I’m not that excited about Cassel. I just feel there should have been more pressing needs dealt with first. There were a lot more weaknesses, in my opinion, that should have been addressed. I would have much rather kept our high second round pick.
I feel like all we have been signing have been a bunch of fringe, special team players.
I also noticed that if anyone even hints on this board that they aren’t completely satisfied with all of Pioli’s decisions that they are quickly shouted down and sometimes told they are not true Chiefs fans.
Get excited if you want, but I’m not drinking the kool-aid yet.
How do you feel?
I feel that your jumping the gun on this judgment call. Both Pioli and Haley have barely got their offices set up and your ready to drop the hammer on them, even Herm got 3 years to fall all over his dick. I will reserve this Judgement for after the first game of the Reg season 09. Then we will have an idea of what direction this team is going and I will feel more comfortable judging them . I will however go out on a limb and say that our Chiefs will be the 2009 Cinderella team of the year. You all can beat me up on it and I won’t say anything in return until after I know better. Let the feeding begin LMAO!
prough91;124841 wrote:I’ll say it. I’m not scared.I haven’t been overwhelmed with our off season acquisitions.
I’m not that excited about Cassel. I just feel there should have been more pressing needs dealt with first. There were a lot more weaknesses, in my opinion, that should have been addressed. I would have much rather kept our high second round pick.
I feel like all we have been signing have been a bunch of fringe, special team players.
I also noticed that if anyone even hints on this board that they aren’t completely satisfied with all of Pioli’s decisions that they are quickly shouted down and sometimes told they are not true Chiefs fans.
Get excited if you want, but I’m not drinking the kool-aid yet.
How do you feel?
I’ll say it.
I’m not scared.
I am drinking the kool-aid, and by the gallons baby! I’m even sporting a rock’in kool-aid “stache”…………………..(in my best kool-aid voice) OH YEAAAAA! Why not get on the Pioli/Haley bandwagon? All the cool kids are doing it. Look at it this way, we could be sitting here complaining about Herm da worm and King Carl for yet another year. But we’re not! Thats right, we actually have something to look forward to. Pioli knows what he is doing, and I can guarantee that he knows a he!! of a lot more about the free agents in this league and Cassel than any of us. He will build a winner with the same type of players that he has won with in the past. Just because a player is a “big name” in this league, does’nt necessarily mean he is the “right player” for our team, that’s right, TEAM. One of the first things he said when he came here was that he was not looking for pro bowlers, but for the right type of players. The very same type of players that he won a superbowl or two with. Mark my words, Pioli will bring this town a championship!!! END OF STORY!!!! OH YEAAAA! I’ll take a couple of more gallons of Kool-aid over hear! WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :toast2: :drunkhb:
I am gonna say this as well
Cuz I aint scared,
prough91,
You can take this however you wish to but I am callin you out on this topic. You post something that would be normal of a Carl Petersen ran offseason while we are experiencing a new management team in Pioli and Haley makes me question your devoltion as a Chiefs fan. I can do this because there is no question in my mind what team I am on, I am on the Chiefs as it’s biggest fan. You on the other hand do alot od doubting and pissing and moaning about how the Pioli / Haley front office isn’t getting players that make you say wow, well so what. If you don’t like the choices that they are making then you don’t have to like them but the bottom line is everyone else is attempting to become totally posotive abou this change and the days of doubting our front office and coaching staff are over. WE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE NOW! The best thing you can do at this point is jump into the KOOL AID container and take a long a$$ drink of it , kool out a bit and allow the new changes take you away like a calgon bath ! Why all the hate bro? Why can’t you just try to get along and forget the bad years that are behind us and be happy go lucky! 2 weeks ago I was doubting and now I see what they are doing and I like it alot, infact I like it a hell of alot more then anything CP did since the death of DT. That IMO was when his leg up on the competition died, it died with DT and I hate to say that. I am a fan of the team since day 1 of my life and I will never change , I will go to my grave a Chief fan. I would like to see you with us but I have my doubts bro. Make me believe in you man , MAKE ME BELIEVE!!!KansasCityChris;125085 wrote:I am gonna say this as well
Cuz I aint scared,
prough91,
You can take this however you wish to but I am callin you out on this topic. You post something that would be normal of a Carl Petersen ran offseason while we are experiencing a new management team in Pioli and Haley makes me question your devoltion as a Chiefs fan. I can do this because there is no question in my mind what team I am on, I am on the Chiefs as it’s biggest fan. You on the other hand do alot od doubting and pissing and moaning about how the Pioli / Haley front office isn’t getting players that make you say wow, well so what. If you don’t like the choices that they are making then you don’t have to like them but the bottom line is everyone else is attempting to become totally posotive abou this change and the days of doubting our front office and coaching staff are over. WE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE NOW! The best thing you can do at this point is jump into the KOOL AID container and take a long a$$ drink of it , kool out a bit and allow the new changes take you away like a calgon bath ! Why all the hate bro? Why can’t you just try to get along and forget the bad years that are behind us and be happy go lucky! 2 weeks ago I was doubting and now I see what they are doing and I like it alot, infact I like it a hell of alot more then anything CP did since the death of DT. That IMO was when his leg up on the competition died, it died with DT and I hate to say that. I am a fan of the team since day 1 of my life and I will never change , I will go to my grave a Chief fan. I would like to see you with us but I have my doubts bro. Make me believe in you man , MAKE ME BELIEVE!!!I love my Chiefs every bit as much as you do.
I love my kids too. But if they do the wrong things, then I can’t just stand up and cheer for that. I have to critique.
The fact is that if I didn’t care, then I could easily not worry and criticize.
I couldn’t care any less about The Washington Redskins, so I don’t complain one bit about them.
The fact that someone is on here regularly, talking about the Chiefs’ decisions is proof positive that they care about this team.
Rather you agree with what decisions are being made, or not. Expressing your opinion about it regularly shows serious interest.
So, your doubts are off-target. I assure you of that.
I’m glad Clark hired Pioli and Pioli hired Haley and I’m glad they hired Cassell, he’s young and with the right coaching he could very well be a great QB someday but I do tend to question some of the older trades. I agree on not spending a boat load of money on a few great players but the older players are only a short term fix though great for leadership. So I might question why, I would never lose my devotion to the Chiefs. I have been with’em for over 22 years and I’ll most likely get burried in some thing red the has the words “Kansas City Chiefs” on it. I just hope this is our year to shine, and nothing would please me more than a complete shut out of all afc west games. Right now we are the only stable team in the afc west and I’m Mc Lovin it. Denver fans want to trade Cutler for Cassell, Al Davis is still nuts and will fire his HC after game 3 and San Diego is doing nothing so far so no big change there. So just like every year past, this year I Have Faith In My Chiefs, I want to see, hear and feel Arrowhead rumble once again as they did in years past. So here’s to the 09 Kansas City Chiefs, May they kick butt and take names and make us all proud once more…….Thank You, Thank You, lol
Pioli defends Chiefs’ strategy to add personnel
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
DAVID EULITT
PioliAfter making the big strike by trading for quarterback Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel in opening the free-agency period, the Chiefs have mostly watched as other teams spent cash on players.
The sum total of their efforts since the deal with New England are two backups, linebacker Corey Mays and cornerback Travis Daniels.
While their lack of activity hasn’t pleased many Chiefs fans, general manager Scott Pioli is urging patience. He indicated the Chiefs aren’t finished adding pieces.
“We’re only in the beginning stages,” Pioli said. “Player acquisition is not limited to just free-agency, and it’s not just the draft. It could be waiver claims, trades, street free agents. It could be anything we see as an opportunity to help this team get better, whether that’s in the locker room or on the field.
“We’re still in the beginning phase. You can never predict what your opportunities are going to be. We’ll keep at it. There are players out there that can help us.”
In the meantime, players like Mays, Daniels and safety Jon McGraw, who re-signed last week, are part of Pioli’s plan. The Chiefs appear intent on placing a greater value on building their special teams and depth.
That’s where Mays and Daniels fit in. Mays, who agreed to contract terms Thursday, was known mostly for his special-teams play in his four seasons with New England and Cincinnati. Daniels was mostly a reserve in his four seasons with Miami and Cleveland but gives the Chiefs an experienced option to starters Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr.
In 2001, Pioli’s second season assisting Bill Belichick with New England, the Patriots signed 23 free agents. Few were big-money players. Most were imported to either give the Patriots some viable competition for starting positions or to help on special teams.
While Pioli won’t sign 23 players this year, he does appear serious about improving the Chiefs on special teams and providing better competition for starting spots at several positions.
The Chiefs in recent years have awarded starting spots by default at several positions, including quarterback, wide receiver, offensive line and linebacker.
“We’re interested in building the roster spots all the way through the roster.” Pioli said. “Everywhere I’ve been, we’ve used all 53 players. You can only use 45 on game day, but throughout the course of the season you need all of them.”
In addition to Mays and Daniels, the Chiefs had publicly identified visits with three other free agents: Arizona linebacker Clark Haggans, Seattle wide receiver Bobby Engram and Dallas safety Keith Davis.
The re-signing of McGraw probably eliminates the need for Davis. Engram is 36, so the Chiefs don’t appear in any hurry to sign him.
Haggans makes more sense for the Chiefs because of their need for linebackers, even after signing Mays.
“Just because we haven’t signed a player doesn’t mean … different negotiations are in different stages,” Pioli said. “It’s not always up to just us. It’s up to the player, too.”Pioli defends Chiefs’ strategy to add personnel – Kansas City Star
chief31;125107 wrote:I love my Chiefs every bit as much as you do.I love my kids too. But if they do the wrong things, then I can’t just stand up and cheer for that. I have to critique.
The fact is that if I didn’t care, then I could easily not worry and criticize.
I couldn’t care any less about The Washington Redskins, so I don’t complain one bit about them.
The fact that someone is on here regularly, talking about the Chiefs’ decisions is proof positive that they care about this team.
Rather you agree with what decisions are being made, or not. Expressing your opinion about it regularly shows serious interest.
So, your doubts are off-target. I assure you of that.
I don’t know if you noticed that my statement was directed at prough91 and not yourself, however I am left to wonder if you are his defense or lawyer, councilor or whatever you wish to call it? I would like him to answer directly but your statement was noted duely. Thanks for caring yourself, however the fact that someone visits a site and posts quite as often as he does , doesn’t make him a true blue fan of the KC Chiefs. IMO a true KC Chief fan or any teams fan for that matter only cheers for that 1 team, they don’t say that they are partial to other teams nor do they take a negative stand against what the team is doing but more so goes into each new season believing that the team will do the best it can and reach the Superbowl, even if they know it won’t happen. I realize that may seem unrealistic but fact is I have cheered for no other team in the NFL unless it benfited them winning and putting the Chiefs into the playoffs or something to that nature.I still stand by my statement and would like to hear his feelings on the matter as everytime I come here latel,y it seems as though he is constantly doubting the new management and not believing in anything the Chiefs are doing. For this reason I call prough91 out and nobody else. I am glad to see that we have people that stick up for others and I would also like to state that I in no way hold any resentment towards you for doing what you did chief31,
Have a great day today and a better one tommorow my friend :bananen_smilies046:warcrychief;125124 wrote:Pioli defends Chiefs’ strategy to add personnelBy ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
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DAVID EULITT
PioliAfter making the big strike by trading for quarterback Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel in opening the free-agency period, the Chiefs have mostly watched as other teams spent cash on players.
The sum total of their efforts since the deal with New England are two backups, linebacker Corey Mays and cornerback Travis Daniels.
While their lack of activity hasn’t pleased many Chiefs fans, general manager Scott Pioli is urging patience. He indicated the Chiefs aren’t finished adding pieces.
“We’re only in the beginning stages,” Pioli said. “Player acquisition is not limited to just free-agency, and it’s not just the draft. It could be waiver claims, trades, street free agents. It could be anything we see as an opportunity to help this team get better, whether that’s in the locker room or on the field.
“We’re still in the beginning phase. You can never predict what your opportunities are going to be. We’ll keep at it. There are players out there that can help us.”
In the meantime, players like Mays, Daniels and safety Jon McGraw, who re-signed last week, are part of Pioli’s plan. The Chiefs appear intent on placing a greater value on building their special teams and depth.
That’s where Mays and Daniels fit in. Mays, who agreed to contract terms Thursday, was known mostly for his special-teams play in his four seasons with New England and Cincinnati. Daniels was mostly a reserve in his four seasons with Miami and Cleveland but gives the Chiefs an experienced option to starters Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr.
In 2001, Pioli’s second season assisting Bill Belichick with New England, the Patriots signed 23 free agents. Few were big-money players. Most were imported to either give the Patriots some viable competition for starting positions or to help on special teams.
While Pioli won’t sign 23 players this year, he does appear serious about improving the Chiefs on special teams and providing better competition for starting spots at several positions.
The Chiefs in recent years have awarded starting spots by default at several positions, including quarterback, wide receiver, offensive line and linebacker.
“We’re interested in building the roster spots all the way through the roster.” Pioli said. “Everywhere I’ve been, we’ve used all 53 players. You can only use 45 on game day, but throughout the course of the season you need all of them.”
In addition to Mays and Daniels, the Chiefs had publicly identified visits with three other free agents: Arizona linebacker Clark Haggans, Seattle wide receiver Bobby Engram and Dallas safety Keith Davis.
The re-signing of McGraw probably eliminates the need for Davis. Engram is 36, so the Chiefs don’t appear in any hurry to sign him.
Haggans makes more sense for the Chiefs because of their need for linebackers, even after signing Mays.
“Just because we haven’t signed a player doesn’t mean … different negotiations are in different stages,” Pioli said. “It’s not always up to just us. It’s up to the player, too.”Pioli defends Chiefs’ strategy to add personnel – Kansas City Star
This report is the very reason I am waiting on my total judgement of what our KC Chiefs will be like. Pioli is taking his time and not rushing like he has to get this guy or that guy or our whole plan os screwed. He being patient and allowing things to flow naturally so the people we do get aren’t just signed so it looks like we have the best people on paper and then bang there is no cohesivness. Have faith and trust in the fact that he and Haley will get this done and we will see Clark Hunt , Scott Pioli and Todd Haley will be holding our next Superbowl trophy on world wide TV.
KansasCityChris;125085 wrote:I am gonna say this as well
Cuz I aint scared,
You post something that would be normal of a Carl Petersen ran offseason while we are experiencing a new management team in Pioli and Haley makes me question your devoltion as a Chiefs fan.So I’m not a devoted fan because I choose to be cautious instead of blindly optimistic?
If you don’t like the choices that they are making then you don’t have to like them but the bottom line is everyone else is attempting to become totally posotive abou this change and the days of doubting our front office and coaching staff are over.
I am not the only person here who has voiced their doubts about some of the decisions that have been made.
Why all the hate bro?
Um, I haven’t called out anyone because I disagreed with somthing they said.
Make me believe in you man , MAKE ME BELIEVE!!!
I don’t really know what I am supposed to make you believe.
KansasCityChris;125133 wrote:IMO a true KC Chief fan or any teams fan for that matter only cheers for that 1 team, they don’t say that they are partial to other teams nor do they take a negative stand against what the team is doing but more so goes into each new season believing that the team will do the best it can and reach the Superbowl, even if they know it won’t happen.Where have I ever said that I root for any other team? And, Dude, as long as there is football and front offices some people are always going to doubt the decisions they make.
Ya know, I always thought a forum board was a place to come and debate and hear the opinions of others. There have been a lot of things said in here that I didn’t agree with, and, in some cases, made me angry. However, I never “called” anyone out for it.
prough91;125139 wrote:Ya know, I always thought a forum board was a place to come and debate and hear the opinions of others. There have been a lot of things said in here that I didn’t agree with, and, in some cases, made me angry. However, I never “called” anyone out for it.Basically, you haven’t truely answered my main question and reason for calling you out on your post. I questioned your being a true fan of the Chiefs, IMO you have basically answered my questions with questions to avoid answering the main question. I would like you to make me believe that your a true Chiefs fan as I have read alot of negative posts by you towards the Ciefs and the front office and IMO that would mean that you only like the Chiefs to complain about them, however I could be wrong and I wouldn’t doubt if you say so, still leaving doubt in my mind. All I would like to see is that you truely are a Chiefs fan and there is one way to do that. I am making a challenge and that would be that neither of us make a negative post or thread regarding the Chiefs no matter what is done until April 2, 2009. I know I can do it but I wonder if you can? I hope you can as I would like to see that you are really part of the Chiefs Fan base, you seem like a decent guy just have alot of negativity flowing when it comes to the KC Chiefs and I know it’s hard to change things like that when your used to having bad things happen, but it would be nice to see. I am up for the challenge, are you?:bananen_smilies046:
KansasCityChris;125145 wrote:Basically, you haven’t truely answered my main question and reason for calling you out on your post. I questioned your being a true fan of the Chiefs, IMO you have basically answered my questions with questions to avoid answering the main question. I would like you to make me believe that your a true Chiefs fan as I have read alot of negative posts by you towards the Ciefs and the front office and IMO that would mean that you only like the Chiefs to complain about them, however I could be wrong and I wouldn’t doubt if you say so, still leaving doubt in my mind. All I would like to see is that you truely are a Chiefs fan and there is one way to do that. I am making a challenge and that would be that neither of us make a negative post or thread regarding the Chiefs no matter what is done until April 2, 2009. I know I can do it but I wonder if you can? I hope you can as I would like to see that you are really part of the Chiefs Fan base, you seem like a decent guy just have alot of negativity flowing when it comes to the KC Chiefs and I know it’s hard to change things like that when your used to having bad things happen, but it would be nice to see. I am up for the challenge, are you?:bananen_smilies046:Lol, dude, if you had been around longer than a month you would have seen I used to stand up for Herm. I don’t like the Cassel signing. Know why? I’m a huge fan of Thiggy’s. Right or wrong, no matter how much sh!t I catch about it, I just really like Thiggy. I just don’t like seeing this board as a place people get bashed on if they have a differing opinion. Do I want to see the Chiefs make a huge turn around? You bet your a$$ I do. Do I feel like they have done the things so far to do that? No. No, I don’t. I don’t feel like I should have to apologize for my opinions or defend my fandom just because I don’t believe (yet) that Pioli and Haley are the second coming. I liked the Haley hiring and said so and a lot of people didn’t agree with that. Lets say, hypothetically, Pioli and Haley just run the Chiefs into the ground. Would I be able to say anything negative about them then? I haven’t been overly impressed with their FA acquisitions. I stated that fact. For all anyone knows I might be completely right. I hope to God I’m wrong.
If people never question motives, tactics, strategies, etc etc, then they are not looking for improvement. They are not leaders and they are not true fans.
Yes, being positive is a great thing to embrace but the “rose colored glasses” have to come off at some point.
I think there have been some good changes and there are some I question.
I think prough91 is looking at things from a different perspective and his ideas/thoughts are put on the table in order to “push” for the best outcome for the team.
If he was not a fan, I really do not think he would bother coming here.
Cheers!
prough91;125151 wrote:Lol, dude, if you had been around longer than a month you would have seen I used to stand up for Herm. I don’t like the Cassel signing. Know why? I’m a huge fan of Thiggy’s. Right or wrong, no matter how much sh!t I catch about it, I just really like Thiggy. I just don’t like seeing this board as a place people get bashed on if they have a differing opinion. Do I want to see the Chiefs make a huge turn around? You bet your a$$ I do. Do I feel like they have done the things so far to do that? No. No, I don’t. I don’t feel like I should have to apologize for my opinions or defend my fandom just because I don’t believe (yet) that Pioli and Haley are the second coming. I liked the Haley hiring and said so and a lot of people didn’t agree with that. Lets say, hypothetically, Pioli and Haley just run the Chiefs into the ground. Would I be able to say anything negative about them then? I haven’t been overly impressed with their FA acquisitions. I stated that fact. For all anyone knows I might be completely right. I hope to God I’m wrong.Well, I don’t understand what you seen in Herm. As for Thigpen, I like Thiggy as well but I don’t think he is our QB of the future, I am HOPING myself that Cassell is as good as everyone is saying he is because not but a few years back Vermiel was calling Trent Green the second coming of Joe Montana which I laughed until my sides hurt about. I don’t have to hope that what Pioli and Haley are doing is the right thing I know it is because I understand just how good all of the players except for Copper are. I never heard of Copper until yesterday to be honest but if Pioli thinks he can get the job done I have to believe it as I finally have confidence in his ability to run a team and to make the best deal possible.In 1 deal he managed to aquire a good QB (Franchise supposablly) starting LB with SB experience and he also managed to create so much friction between McDaniels and Cutler in making the deal that Cutler will be leaving the Donks over it. That is amazing IMO not to mention that Bobby Engram may not be Jerry Rice but atleast he is known for catching the ball and not dropping it. I can see the passion in this post and I will say that I didn’t question you because of your 1 post but from all of the posts as of late that I have read from you. You might end up getting your wish with Thiggy , I highly doubt it but Cassell could trip on his dick and in comes Thigpen. All I have ever wanted is to see the Chiefs in the Super Bowl before I die, I hope they hurry the f*ck up! LMAO!!!!!!:bananen_smilies046::bananen_smilies046:
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