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    I like the signings so far. Not as many as I’d have hoped to see this early but some good ones nonetheless. Special Teams is a key factor of the game, and the Chiefs stunk at it last year ranking 31st overall amongst the NFL. What this means that the Cheifs, on avg, had worse starting field position and gave up good starting field position to every opponent. The signings of Mays and Travis Daniels aren’t going to make any headlines, but shoring up a glaring area of weakness can make a tremendous per-dollar impact on the bottom line.

    I think people get to caught up thinking of Free Agency as just being a cattle call. They see big names on the Free Agency market and totally disregard the fact that the player still has a right to choose who he goes to. When we see guys like Canty and Olshansky, Bosley and Scott, etc get taken by other teams we have to look at both sides of the argument.

    Yea we didn’t get them but that doesn’t mean we weren’t in the running to sign them before they signed with another team. We may have offered them more then what other teams were asking but I doubt it was anywhere near outrageous or enough to make them seriously consider choosing KC over a NY Giants. AS much as we the fans love the Chiefs it doesnt apply to players. They are in a win now league and they took the most money and went to the team that could gaurentee them the best shot of winning a title this year (or in some cases loyalty to a coach).

    There are still a lot of guy avalible on the FA market, there is the draft coming up, and then undrafted rookies/FA signings after that. Free Agency is a long process and while me might not get the marquee names that everyone covets we will get guys that can work with our new system. Next month, the Chiefs will get an infusion of talent from the draft. Plus, remaining free agents will have to start lowering their expectations and Pioli should be able to find some cost-efficient solutions for other roster spots. While other teams might be throwing big contracts at the likes of Albert Haynesworth and even elders like Orlando Pace, the Chiefs are staying conservative. For a rebuilding team, the strategy is sound.

    I know some people aren’t high on Cassel and were high on Thigpen and thats understandable. But on the flipside some weren’t high on Thigpen and were high on Cassel so its a case of two varying view points. At the end of the day we have both, we got at least 1 (I think 2) immediate starters, leaders, and proven winners with one draft pick. A good deal IMO. I think the notion that Pioli and Co. just finding these rough diamond late round draft gem QB’s is a myth. They were fundamentally sound QBs that didn’t recieve much playing time in College but showed enough when they did to warrant consideration to be tutored as a back up in the NFL (Brady behind Bledsoe, Cassel behind Brady) and thats what I believe shaped them for success. I don’t think drafting a Rhett Bomar and having him back up and tutored by a Tyler Thigpen and Brodie Croyle breeds the type of success you see in New England with late round QBs even if people think he was a gem.

    Anyways, patience is a virtue. We’ve got 173 more days to go till the start of the season so there a lot of time between now and then to get things done.

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    NWA Chief;124907 wrote:
    I think Pioli and Haley see that there isn’t too much needed to change. Yes the D needs to be better but we were in a lot of games last year. I see them drafting a stud with the No. 3 pick and wait for next years crop to really see what we have as a team before making a FA splash. Even the Patriots spent a little to get Welker, Stallworth and Moss. Honestly I would have like to see Canty come to KC but in due time we will find out what their plans are.

    Well from what I have heard Pioli takes after the Big Tuna (Bill Parcels) his daddy-in-law and does not go after the big name free agent in fact the big tuna is so much against it I think that is why he is no longer in big D, Jethro brought in TO against Bills wishes and I think that was the beginning of the end. All we can really do now is wait and see what the product on the field is this year.
    Just because the front office has not done everything or something we think they need to do is no reason to start doubting them yet. Heck us Chiefs fans in here disagree on what to do. As an example some wanted to bring TO in and some didn’t, it is the same thing with no matter who it is almost.
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    prough91;124841 wrote:
    I’ll say it. I’m not scared.

    I haven’t been overwhelmed with our off season acquisitions.

    I’m not that excited about Cassel. I just feel there should have been more pressing needs dealt with first. There were a lot more weaknesses, in my opinion, that should have been addressed. I would have much rather kept our high second round pick.

    I feel like all we have been signing have been a bunch of fringe, special team players.

    I also noticed that if anyone even hints on this board that they aren’t completely satisfied with all of Pioli’s decisions that they are quickly shouted down and sometimes told they are not true Chiefs fans.

    Get excited if you want, but I’m not drinking the kool-aid yet.

    How do you feel?

    I like how he is going about the team. There are more ways then one to build a team. Free agency is just one way.

    Pioli defends Chiefs’ strategy to add personnel – Kansas City Star

    Here you guys go if your not drinking Kool-Aid yet either.

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    I am far from ready to complain. But I can say that I am not impressed.

    That’s not always a bad thing, when it comes to off-season.

    But we are taking a big gamble on Cassel. A very high second round pick is nothing to sneeze at. Especially considering how many holes are on this team.

    Having said that, it is still early in the off-season and alot can happen from here to the start of the season.

    And it what happens during the season that makes a real difference.

    So, even if the off-season appears to go poorly, I can’t be too upset, until I see what happens on the field.

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      The speculation is always fun… and he offseason stirs up plenty of it. But if you watch the tape on cassel you can see that this guy really can make all the throws. The only reason I am not 100% is our lack of O line and WRs. But as far as the 2nd round pick is concerned I think we got a good deal. A young QB that has proved he can win (I think 11-5 is proof enough in this league) is worth a 2nd… especially if you think about that it could mean in the future. I mean what was our second pick two seasons ago… turk mcbride? (if I got that wrong flame away)

      Draft picks are always a risk no matter where they are. I think that we got a leader that can bring good things to this team.

      And all I have to say about the pioli and haley deal is…….well……. it could still be peterson and edwards.
      But the proof is in the pudding… come on september.

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      I’m kinda pissed that Pioli traded away our 34th pick without asking us first!!! I mean, c’mon; I’ve been a Chiefs fan for 40 years and he just got here!!?? Did we really need a qb? I thought Thig was no worse or better than Cassel. So now we have two decent qb’s and glaring holes on OL and on defensive front 7. I realize Vrabel was a nice pickup but not an every-down player and in the twilight of his career.
      Having said that I hope Pioli was right and we get these holes filled before opening day…

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      Canada;124842 wrote:
      I personally want to wait until free agency/the draft is over. There is so much specualtion about Pioli/Haley doing the right or wrong things, then people complain that there is no news coming out of Arrowhead.

      If there is no news then how can you expect to be happy or unhappy with any of the decisions made. I personally am happy with the Cassel aquisition because we may actually have a QB that will be around (and good) for a while.

      As far as the Kool Aid thing, I have decided to step out of it. Far too many people here get bent out of shape because they can’t complain about things. You wanna bash your favorite team? Go ahead (no you prough, but some people) I think it is funny to watch some get all up in my face because I choose to not bad mouth my favorite team. I guess if people want to continue with the sad sack bullsh!t then let them go ahead. I watch football because it makes me happy. The day football stops making me happy or the day I start hating on the Chiefs is the day I will stop watching.

      +1

      I’m on the wait-and-see holding pattern, myself. That’s a big reason I haven’t been posting much lately. They said they’d be active with the second tier of free agency and that period has just begun. From what I’ve read, Haley has just NOW finished his current player evaluations. The next 6 weeks should be active for the Chiefs between trades (Gonzo/LJ/Waters/#3/Dorsey) and free agency.

      There’s just SO much time between now and the end of the draft for the Chiefs to “impress” me.

      I will say this though: I can’t get over how HORRIBLE the coaching staff looks. With every coaching signing we made, I found myself having to consciously pull my jaw off the ground and stop shaking my head. Haley is an issue all to himself and I’ll trust Pioli on that one. But could we at the very least prop him up with some coaches who were responsible for at least an AVERAGE defense? Both the LB coach and the DC were responsible for AWFUL defenses last season and we bring THEM in. NICE. I wouldn’t have minded the offensive minded HC so much if we had Crennel locked up. But, as it is, we get Dick Vermeil/Greg Robinson Part Deux.

      KottkeKU;124893 wrote:
      I agree…im not 100% sold on Cassel yet. If Pioli was so good at finding gem qb’s of the future in the draft, why not draft an Olineman (wouldnt hurt) with no.3 overall, give Thigpen one years worth to prove he can play, and if he isnt what Pioli is looking for, he can give the qb he drafts in this year’s class (assuming he takes a qb in the 6th or 7th round this year) a chance at the starting gig the following year…its not like we are going to compete for the superbowl this year or anything…

      and i agree about having more pressing needs than QB…that 2nd rounder (34 overall) could have landed us a mighty fine linebacker….which is exactly what NE will do with it…

      As far as Cassel and people talking about him being a product of the system in NE, I don’t buy that. I think we got INCREDIBLE value with our 2nd round pick. Mock drafts had us taking Sanchez #3 overall. I don’t care how big of a risk you think Cassel is with that 2nd round pick, he still isn’t anywhere CLOSE to being as big of a risk as Sanchez 32 picks earlier.

      IMO, Cassel and Sanchez are close to the same QB. They both played at USC in a pro-style offense. Both are relatively immobile and pocket passers, but one of them has an entire season of starting in the NFL and has proven he can play in this league. THAT’S OUR GUY.

      I agree that Thigpen could’ve been the guy next season, but if they could BOTH be successful in the future offense, seems to me like we’ve got a very capable backup and have found the answer for two big question marks heading into the off season. Even if Cassel and Thigpen are “system” QB’s, they’re both going to be playing in the same system together and the system will be run by Haley/Gailey who ran the SAME systems with their teams LAST year.

      We, as Chiefs fans may WANT the franchise to go back to “pro-style” offense next season, but it’s EXTREMELY hard to argue with:
      A) what the Chiefs achieved last season learning on the fly
      B) what the Cardinals achieved last season with only 2 receiving threats
      C) what the Patriots have achieved running this same-type offense for the last two or three seasons.

      For these reasons, I still think it’s unwise to rule out a Michael Crabtree pick at #3 and a Wes Welker type WR signing during FA or later in the draft. The Chiefs didn’t give up many sacks last season and the new staff might see all they need to in the unit to give them a passing grade for their system. (That’s what it looks like thus far, anyway) The Cardinals line was horrible at run blocking, but somehow gave Warner all he needed to take that team to the Super Bowl. I can’t see Haley destroying this O-line… although he’s not doing it any favors by pissing off the leaders (Waters/Gonzo).

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        Why such a short reply texas? I act as if you’ve nothing to say? :D

        Nice reply BTW.

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        ya……….. nice and long. like always:D

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        Bike;124950 wrote:
        I’m kinda pissed that Pioli traded away our 34th pick without asking us first!!! I mean, c’mon; I’ve been a Chiefs fan for 40 years and he just got here!!?? Did we really need a qb? I thought Thig was no worse or better than Cassel. So now we have two decent qb’s and glaring holes on OL and on defensive front 7. I realize Vrabel was a nice pickup but not an every-down player and in the twilight of his career.
        Having said that I hope Pioli was right and we get these holes filled before opening day…

        Cassell has and will continue to prove to be a much better QB than Thigpen will ever be. Decision making being a key!!

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          Drunker Hillbilly;124995 wrote:
          Cassell has and will continue to prove to be a much better QB than Thigpen will ever be. Decision making being a key!!

          We’ll see how good of decisions he can make when he’s running his a$$ off.

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          I have not seen a lot of “bashing” of this team by the fans here but I have seen varied, strong opinions over some of the decision making in the past, in which I feel is very applicable..Hence the last couple of pathetic seasons.

          Personally, I think this will be one of the “weaker” divisions which will provide a reasonable opportunity to win an AFC West Title but further than that, I doubt it this year. Highly possible next year to seriously complete in the play-offs.

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          prough91;124997 wrote:
          We’ll see how good of decisions he can make when he’s running his a$$ off.

          His decision making has already been proven to be better than Thigpens was last year! Just being in the system he was gives him an advantage. You act like he wasn’t running his a$$ off last year! He did get sacked 47 times!

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          I am ecstatic about our new coaching staff and the decisions of getting Cassel, etc. ECSTATIC!!There is no kool-aid to be drank or drunken or drankededed. No one is saying we are going to the superbowl or might be going to the superbowl (besides yahoo)It is a rebuilding time. 3 years ago was SUPPOSE to be a rebuilding time, but it was anything but. “This is our time. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for” – Pioli

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          prough91;124841 wrote:
          I’m not that excited about Cassel.

          How could you not be excited bout having good, competant depth at the QB spot? Whomever starts?

          I would have much rather kept our high second round pick.

          Say right now that Matt Cassell was in the draft. Do you seriously think that he would make it to the 34th pick?! We got a killer deal!

          I feel like all we have been signing have been a bunch of fringe, special team players.

          I understand what your sayin there, but understand this is Piolis way. Like when he built the Pats, it wasnt a bunch of big time players but an all around evenly distriburted talent team.

          I also noticed that if anyone even hints on this board that they aren’t completely satisfied with all of Pioli’s decisions that they are quickly shouted down and sometimes told they are not true Chiefs fans.

          Let them. I appreciate disagreements. I didnt like Piolis dealing with Waters. I was one of the few that agreed with Waters. And I dont agree with Pendergast either. If anyone says someones not a true Chiefs fan then they are just embarrassing themselves.

          Get excited if you want, but I’m not drinking the kool-aid yet.

          heh, Im not drinking the kool aid till I see the Red Coaters hoist the Lombardi trophy again.

          How do you feel?

          Overall. Herm Edwards and CP are gone. There is no reason to not get excited simply by those moves alone.

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