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Any Carl Peterson influence on this team after 2000.

The 2009 Draft

Firing Gailey one week before the 2009 regular season (I’m sorry, but this was the DUMBEST EFFIN THING I’VE EVER SEEN A HEAD COACH DO… PERIOD!!)

Although most ostrich Chiefs fans would prefer to stick their heads in the sand and say it was Herm Edwards who ran the team into the ground, the absolute WORST thing that happened to this team were the draft classes and scouting of the early 00’s. The Vermeil/Peterson off-seasons were the primary cause of the recent Chiefs atrocities. The Chiefs sold their soul (top draft picks) for vets to try and win a Super Bowl before Lamar passed away and it didn’t pay off… thus, we had to pay for it over the last 4 years.

I’m EXTREMELY impressed Pioli/Haley have been able to turn a roster built for a 4-3 into a respectable 3-4 while also turning the offense into something that can compete in just 2 off seasons while throwing away an entire draft class (among other things)… Seriously impressive.

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NFL Immortals;160781 wrote:

Today’s game was great. Thankfully, Dallas was able to pull it out. I know a lot of people will continue to bash the ‘Boys, but they got it done. Who cares if it was against the Chiefs.

You guys shouldn’t hang you heads too low. This should give you some hope that you can beat someone this season. You still have winnable games against the Raiders and Browns.

Look at the bright side, you got to see a game versus the Dallas Cowboys. How often does that happen for the Chiefs?

How ’bout them Cowboys, baby!

:funnypost:

Congratulations. Y’all beat the worst team in the league on your 2nd possession of overtime. After today, last week’s dominating performance, and that wonderful home opener in your new stadium, the Cowboys are well on their way to running away with the trophy. I for one have seen enough. We should just stop the season and give Dallas the trophy right now.

There’s just no way anyone in this league can play with these guys. Just the beginning of another GREAT Jerry Jones led team. I bet Dallas is just SO thrilled he’s still the GM.

At least our owner KNOWS he’s not the best option for a GM and has gone out to find people who can run a football team. Your Cowboys however, are doomed to be fighting for their lives against winless teams until your owner croaks…

Have fun with that.

p.s. have fun with your Super Bowl run. LMFAO

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honda522;149318 wrote:

Cassels balls were thrown perfectly. We just have some awful WR.

Jesus, why is everyone putting so much pressure on Cassel in camp? Do you think Brady, Manning, Brees, or some other high end QB looks like the best in camp?

They had just as much pressure on them before the proved they could handle the position. Probably even more in some cases. Cassel hasn’t proven anything yet. Until he does, he should be questioned as the #1 guy.

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AussieChiefsFan;136555 wrote:

IMO people care, but it’s (or has been) mostly bad news about LJ. So people are not too happy to see a new thread about LJ ‘cos it’s most probably about something bad he did.

Until he ACTUALLY does something (“good or bad”), I honestly don’t care. 😆

Just like I don’t care what any of the other Chiefs are doing right now… doesn’t just pertain to LJ… even though i realize his douchebaggedness requires special attention… but again, just don’t care.

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This post should have a poll to see if anyone ACTUALLY cares wtf LJ is doing.

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jmlamerson;132821 wrote:

You have your right to your opinion. I have the right to opine that you’re deluded at best and massively ignorant at worst.

moderated post.

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So, this is zero sum to you? Edwards, in YOUR mind, wouldn’t have added ANY free agents or drafted ANY players whatsoever?

That’s bull.

We know we would’ve had:

DL:
Hali, Dorsey, Tank, ?

LB:
DJ, ?, Curry

DB:
Flowers, Pollard, ?, Carr

OL:
Albert, Waters, Niswanger, ?, ?, Gonzalez

RB:
?, Charles, Smith, Savage

QB:
Thigpen, Croyle, ?

WR:
Bowe, Bradley, ?, ?

The way I see it, the Chiefs have signed 4 impact free agents. Of the 8 question marks that the Chiefs would’ve had in their starting rotation, at least 4 of those would’ve been filled by free agents. Then, we also wouldn’t have had to replace so many players in the draft or reach so high to get the guys we wanted.

We’d be in a MUCH better position if we hadn’t changed the overall direction of the team.

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jmlamerson;125197 wrote:

I just don’t get why people think like you do. Who do you think we could have gotten in the 2nd round that would equal the value we got from the trade? We got our captains for both sides of the ball. Both are proven winners. We had a 50% chance of busting on our 2nd round pick.

I don’t mean to sound mean or anything, but sometimes I think our whole fanbase was brainwashed by Herm/CP into thinking that draft picks are more valuable than good players. Teams like the Pats have never been shy about trading picks for players when they get good value for the pick. And that’s what we did.

How do we ever expect to win games relying on a bunch of rookies that get traded, who leave as soon as FA hits, or who demand to be massively overpaid to stay? Because that was the pre-Pioli state of things.

The trade was a great trade. You’re right. There isn’t A player that is going to be available at #34 that will present as much VALUE as Cassel/Vrabel did. The pure VALUE the Chiefs received with that pick is EXACTLY what the draft is about.

Bike;125207 wrote:

Well I won’t argue too much with a fellow Chiefs fan that loves beer even more than myself. But I thought we already had a qb and had needs elsewhere that could’ve been adressed with that 34th pick…
But like I said, I hope I’m wrong and Pioli is right. After all, he gets paid to know this stuff.

To continue with what I was saying, the draft is about VALUE. NOT NEED. Once you start cornering yourself with need, you end up destroying your entire draft. The Chiefs don’t necessarily have a NEED at LT, but the value they would get by drafting a LT #3 COULD be better than the value they’d receive by taking a non-rushing LB.

(For the record, I’m officially OFF the Curry bandwagon. I was torn between him and a LT, but I’ve decided that taking a non-rushing LB #3 overall is insane. If he were a Derrick Thomas or Shawn Merriman, that would be one thing, but he’s not. He’s a REALLY good Lance Briggs or Bart Scott. Just not worth the #3 overall.)

This might be a difficult concept to grasp. In fact, even most of the talking heads can’t comprehend the idea, but you can’t go into the draft identifying players to fill holes. That would be cheating your team.

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Canada;124842 wrote:

I personally want to wait until free agency/the draft is over. There is so much specualtion about Pioli/Haley doing the right or wrong things, then people complain that there is no news coming out of Arrowhead.

If there is no news then how can you expect to be happy or unhappy with any of the decisions made. I personally am happy with the Cassel aquisition because we may actually have a QB that will be around (and good) for a while.

As far as the Kool Aid thing, I have decided to step out of it. Far too many people here get bent out of shape because they can’t complain about things. You wanna bash your favorite team? Go ahead (no you prough, but some people) I think it is funny to watch some get all up in my face because I choose to not bad mouth my favorite team. I guess if people want to continue with the sad sack bullsh!t then let them go ahead. I watch football because it makes me happy. The day football stops making me happy or the day I start hating on the Chiefs is the day I will stop watching.

+1

I’m on the wait-and-see holding pattern, myself. That’s a big reason I haven’t been posting much lately. They said they’d be active with the second tier of free agency and that period has just begun. From what I’ve read, Haley has just NOW finished his current player evaluations. The next 6 weeks should be active for the Chiefs between trades (Gonzo/LJ/Waters/#3/Dorsey) and free agency.

There’s just SO much time between now and the end of the draft for the Chiefs to “impress” me.

I will say this though: I can’t get over how HORRIBLE the coaching staff looks. With every coaching signing we made, I found myself having to consciously pull my jaw off the ground and stop shaking my head. Haley is an issue all to himself and I’ll trust Pioli on that one. But could we at the very least prop him up with some coaches who were responsible for at least an AVERAGE defense? Both the LB coach and the DC were responsible for AWFUL defenses last season and we bring THEM in. NICE. I wouldn’t have minded the offensive minded HC so much if we had Crennel locked up. But, as it is, we get Dick Vermeil/Greg Robinson Part Deux.

KottkeKU;124893 wrote:

I agree…im not 100% sold on Cassel yet. If Pioli was so good at finding gem qb’s of the future in the draft, why not draft an Olineman (wouldnt hurt) with no.3 overall, give Thigpen one years worth to prove he can play, and if he isnt what Pioli is looking for, he can give the qb he drafts in this year’s class (assuming he takes a qb in the 6th or 7th round this year) a chance at the starting gig the following year…its not like we are going to compete for the superbowl this year or anything…

and i agree about having more pressing needs than QB…that 2nd rounder (34 overall) could have landed us a mighty fine linebacker….which is exactly what NE will do with it…

As far as Cassel and people talking about him being a product of the system in NE, I don’t buy that. I think we got INCREDIBLE value with our 2nd round pick. Mock drafts had us taking Sanchez #3 overall. I don’t care how big of a risk you think Cassel is with that 2nd round pick, he still isn’t anywhere CLOSE to being as big of a risk as Sanchez 32 picks earlier.

IMO, Cassel and Sanchez are close to the same QB. They both played at USC in a pro-style offense. Both are relatively immobile and pocket passers, but one of them has an entire season of starting in the NFL and has proven he can play in this league. THAT’S OUR GUY.

I agree that Thigpen could’ve been the guy next season, but if they could BOTH be successful in the future offense, seems to me like we’ve got a very capable backup and have found the answer for two big question marks heading into the off season. Even if Cassel and Thigpen are “system” QB’s, they’re both going to be playing in the same system together and the system will be run by Haley/Gailey who ran the SAME systems with their teams LAST year.

We, as Chiefs fans may WANT the franchise to go back to “pro-style” offense next season, but it’s EXTREMELY hard to argue with:
A) what the Chiefs achieved last season learning on the fly
what the Cardinals achieved last season with only 2 receiving threats
C) what the Patriots have achieved running this same-type offense for the last two or three seasons.

For these reasons, I still think it’s unwise to rule out a Michael Crabtree pick at #3 and a Wes Welker type WR signing during FA or later in the draft. The Chiefs didn’t give up many sacks last season and the new staff might see all they need to in the unit to give them a passing grade for their system. (That’s what it looks like thus far, anyway) The Cardinals line was horrible at run blocking, but somehow gave Warner all he needed to take that team to the Super Bowl. I can’t see Haley destroying this O-line… although he’s not doing it any favors by pissing off the leaders (Waters/Gonzo).

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This is a dumb thread.

sorry.

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jmlamerson;106167 wrote:

We don’t really believe you’re from Atlanta. Everyone knows Atlantans can’t read or write. Ugly women too. Very ugly.

They can’t swim either. 😆

[texaschief]

Game over…. I win. Go back to playing in your black hole… just make sure to guard your brown one while y’all play dress up.

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i just want to know how they’re going to cut 33 million from their salary cap number. They’re going to have a max money team and will win probably four games again because the coach will be looking over his shoulder the whole year and the owner won’t leave the team alone.

What’s the over/under for games their head coach will be allowed to coach this year? Who will be their coach after the bye week, cuz it sure won’t be Lane Kiffin.

How the hell could you talk shit to a teams fans that has beat you 9 of the past 11 games while sitting at the bottom of the division since 2003 after getting F#$%^&$ OWNED by Tampa in the Super Bowl. Talk about a flash in the pan… good lord.

See, this is why i hate the Raiders. Not because they’re any good, but because the idiots in the stands have no knowledge of the game or memory of recent history. It really shows how awful this team and its management is when you’re picking in the top for 5 years in a row and have a 4-12 record to show for it.

First Rounders
2007-JaMarcus Russell is a joke.
2006-Michael Huff was a great Longhorn…a first round talent, not so much. I’d much rather have Paige, our 7th rounder who already has 3 INTs against the Raiders.
2005-Fabian Washington- ROTFLMFAO!!!! 😆 three years after drafting a CB in the first round, the draft day super riser (due to his 40 time) was traded to the Ravens for a 4th round pick….nice.
2004-Robert Gallery-ROTFLMFAO AGAIN!!! I take it back… I love the Raiders…these guys make it fun to be in this division. Talk about another bust…good god. I’m sending Al Davis a Christmas card this year.
2003-Nnamndi Asomugha- Hey!! They actually hit on a decent player…how bout that….too bad he doesn’t want to sign a long term deal with the Raiders, which is why they had to franchise him.
2002-1A Phillip Buchanon -now plays for Tampa 😆
1B Napoleon Harris-who is, from what i’ve heard, losing his starting spot because after a sub par year, he is after all, just an “employee of the Chiefs.

I’ve changed my mind. I love the Raiders. As long as the Raiders are around, It’s a safe feeling there will ALWAYS be at least one team worse than us.

LONG LIVE AL DAVIS!!!!

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So, how many guns can one own until it’s considered a bad thing?…..cuz, i’ve got a few. lol

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hermhater;74691 wrote:

Me too.

I also think that having all our soldiers in the wrong place during a war is poor planning.

How is that stopping that from happening?

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